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Old Jun 1st 2020, 6:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl View Post
the video shows absolutely nothing of value IMO. The cops could have been knocking the living daylights out of whoever or whatever is in the back seat.
Possibly, but that would be unusual in an arrest situation if there wasn't resistance. It looks more like there was some sort of resistance. That doesn't condone kneeling on the guys neck for such a period of time until he passed out and died (this doesn't really need to be said, but others like to pounce unless one explicitly and repeatedly doesn't denounce the act) nor does it explain why there would have been resistance when he previously seemed compliant.

As I was saying, the initial shock video (of any issue, not just this one) doesn't always tell the full story and later longer or other videos or evidence comes to play. It's one of the reasons why I am against the new (social media) public lynchings.

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Possibly, but that would be unusual in an arrest situation if there wasn't resistance. It looks more like there was some sort of resistance. That doesn't condone kneeling on the guys neck for such a period of time until he passed out and died (this doesn't really need to be said, but others like to pounce unless one explicitly and repeatedly doesn't denounce the act) nor does it explain why there would have been resistance when he previously seemed compliant.

As I was saying, the initial shock video (of any issue, not just this one) doesn't always tell the full story and later longer or other videos or evidence comes to play. It's one of the reasons why I am against the new (social media) public lynchings.
on the other hand...if there were not phone camera handy, this could have all been hushed up, as it’s probably been done many times before.

I would love to see footage of the cameras attached to all 4 cops. Now that would tell the full and true story. Unless of course they were turned off or have mysteriously broken or got lost.
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Old Jun 1st 2020, 7:30 pm
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on the other hand...if there were not phone camera handy, this could have all been hushed up, as it’s probably been done many times before.

I would love to see footage of the cameras attached to all 4 cops. Now that would tell the full and true story. Unless of course they were turned off or have mysteriously broken or got lost.
Absolutely, I also wonder if there was a camera in the car with audio.
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So I gather from some posters on this thread that:

1. There isn't a problem with racism against black people in the US
2. There is a problem, but black people aren't handling it the way these posters think they should
3. The cause of the problem (the one that doesn't exist as per #1) is the rioters and looters
4. There is a problem, but the problem is actually the behaviour of black people towards white people
5. There isn't a problem, it's only a few bad eggs
6. Black people don't care about what happens to other black people in non-police-violence situations
7. The real problem is black people killing white people
8. Black people are lazy people who only want sports shoes
9. Return to #1 and repeat the list


I may have missed one, apologies, it's still early here.
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Doesn't pay to be from the press, it seems.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52880970

Many incidents of what appear to be deliberate targeting.




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Old Jun 1st 2020, 8:34 pm
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There are two groups emerging: Those who genuinely want to protest yet another truly awful killing in the US of a black member of the public by police officers, and the violent ANTIFA anarchist thugs. Both are very much a part of this unfolding mess. George Floyd's memory deserves far better than to have the latter group peddle their very nasty and destructive agenda in his name. We probably need two threads: The peaceful protest George Floyd thread and the ANTIFA violence, intimidation and anarchy thread.
George Floyd's memory deserves far better than to have the open carrying neo nazis turn up at every peaceful ****ing protest too, but they live for it and will continue to do so, safe in the knowledge that people like you will blame "Antifa".

Just had our second night of it here. Curfewed from 5pm to 5am again, this time with armed guards on the door of my apartment complex. Woke up to news of more black deaths elsewhere in the country. Forgive me if I lack a little patience today.
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George Floyd's memory deserves far better than to have the open carrying neo nazis turn up at every peaceful ****ing protest too, but they live for it and will continue to do so, safe in the knowledge that people like you will blame "Antifa".

Just had our second night of it here. Curfewed from 5pm to 5am again, this time with armed guards on the door of my apartment complex. Woke up to news of more black deaths elsewhere in the country. Forgive me if I lack a little patience today.
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on the other hand...if there were not phone camera handy, this could have all been hushed up, as it’s probably been done many times before.

I would love to see footage of the cameras attached to all 4 cops. Now that would tell the full and true story. Unless of course they were turned off or have mysteriously broken or got lost.
There has been criticism here of police not having numbers displayed, and body cams not being on. Our Mayor's response to the latter was to quote the SPD policy manual, which I have looked up and repeat here: “…officers will not record people lawfully exercising their freedom of speech, press, association, assembly, or religion. However, if officers have probable cause that criminal activity is occurring or are ordered to by a supervisor, they will turn the cameras on.” Too easy to abuse this, I'd say.
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George Floyd's memory deserves far better than to have the open carrying neo nazis turn up at every peaceful ****ing protest too, but they live for it and will continue to do so, safe in the knowledge that people like you will blame "Antifa".

Just had our second night of it here. Curfewed from 5pm to 5am again, this time with armed guards on the door of my apartment complex. Woke up to news of more black deaths elsewhere in the country. Forgive me if I lack a little patience today.
It's a proper witches brew. Yep, I wouldn't be surprised if there are so called neo nazis there as well and most likely a heap of other opportunists each also pursuing their particular agenda. To be honest I see little difference between neo nazis and the ironically named Antifa. Both are purveyors of hatred and intolerance and both use racial and other divisions to further their causes.
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There has been criticism here of police not having numbers displayed, and body cams not being on. Our Mayor's response to the latter was to quote the SPD policy manual, which I have looked up and repeat here: “…officers will not record people lawfully exercising their freedom of speech, press, association, assembly, or religion. However, if officers have probable cause that criminal activity is occurring or are ordered to by a supervisor, they will turn the cameras on.” Too easy to abuse this, I'd say.

IMO the body cams should be on whilst they are on duty.
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You have an apparently unjust, often racist, always unequal society where a tiny percentage of the population own the vast majority of the wealth, with a constant undercurrent of violence of multiple kinds, which uses unpaid or barely paid prison labor for profit, which funnels a percentage of its population into prisons at a far higher rate than other developed countries, which can't fund a health care service or provide PPE but apparently has an unlimited supply of weaponry and tear gas to use against the civilian population and then, with yet another police killing as a trigger the tinder box explodes but somehow it's the fault of antifa, rather than antifa being just another product of this system? And then those protesting aren't protesting in a way approved by those who have all the advantages and who have never experienced anything of this kind and never will, yet want to be the arbiters of how people should behave? Hypocrisy and cant is all that is.
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Doesn't pay to be from the press, it seems.

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You have an apparently unjust, often racist, always unequal society where a tiny percentage of the population own the vast majority of the wealth, with a constant undercurrent of violence of multiple kinds, which uses unpaid or barely paid prison labor for profit, which funnels a percentage of its population into prisons at a far higher rate than other developed countries, which can't fund a health care service or provide PPE but apparently has an unlimited supply of weaponry and tear gas to use against the civilian population and then, with yet another police killing as a trigger the tinder box explodes but somehow it's the fault of antifa, rather than antifa being just another product of this system? And then those protesting aren't protesting in a way approved by those who have all the advantages and who have never experienced anything of this kind and never will, yet want to be the arbiters of how people should behave? Hypocrisy and cant is all that is.
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Old Jun 1st 2020, 9:23 pm
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Did 3rd and Pine throw you? It did me.
Yes and I was incensed because I was watching a very peaceful march along there at the time of the tweet! (I live on the corner of 2nd & Pike and had just got in from HMart on 2nd & Pine when they left Westlake).
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