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Old Jun 21st 2020, 9:47 pm
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I believe there are even some Marxists who display leftist tendencies and socialist leanings... darn commies!
It's all being orchestrated by George Soros,that Marxist banker, and his evil minions who are being trained as we speak.





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Old Jun 21st 2020, 9:47 pm
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Some people live in a world where attaching "Marxist" to something as a label just means "bad". So as long as you can find, for example, a website where the two terms "Marxist" and "BLM" appear together you have immediately made BLM bad and wrong.
Er, one of the founders admitted that two of the three founders are trained marxists. And the third has been photographed looking very pally with the Venezuelan Marxist President Maduro and praising the very open conversations she had there.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 9:54 pm
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"Marxist" is not a job or activity, so by your own definition, your claim is gobbledygook.
But they are Marxist activists! I doubt they just sit around on their arses all day mulling over the meaning Marxist ideology.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 10:05 pm
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Pigeons are probably Marxist. Cockroaches too. There's some pretty stinky cheese. No doubt that's Marxist. Sharks. Broccoli. Tornadoes. Coronavirus. Traffic accidents... Random coincidence?
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 10:12 pm
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Er, one of the founders admitted that two of the three founders are trained marxists. And the third has been photographed looking very pally with the Venezuelan Marxist President Maduro and praising the very open conversations she had there.
"trained marxists" again?........ skilled at jumping through hoops, presumably.

Trump was photographed "looking very pally" with the Clintons previously ..... and said of Putin "Look at Putin -- what he's doing with Russia -- I mean, you know, what's going on over there. I mean this guy has done -- whether you like him or don't like him -- he's doing a great job in rebuilding the image of Russia and also rebuilding Russia period" .............. so maybe he's a mole too? Just sayin'.......




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Old Jun 21st 2020, 10:14 pm
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But they are Marxist activists! I doubt they just sit around on their arses all day mulling over the meaning Marxist ideology.
But I daresay they know what it means....... unlike some.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 10:16 pm
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Name calling... it's what we do when we see things we don't agree with.
Marxists aren't bad people, they simply things in a different way than do perhaps evangelicals, muslims of really any group that has the timerity to voice it's thoughts out loud.
"Ahh!" I hear you say, "but aren't they trying to take over the world and aren't they poisoning our youth with their communist filth?"
No more than anyone else and that's the real issue, it's the never ending struggle between those who're know they're always right and those who really believe they're always right.
The truth of course is that nobody is always right, they just think they are, in fact so much so that they're prepared to kill anyone who thinks differently.
This wanten wish to obliterate anyone you disagree with is a form of insanity.. but of course the insane would never agree to countenance this and why would they when they're the ones running the asylum.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 10:31 pm
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Name calling... it's what we do when we see things we don't agree with.
Marxists aren't bad people, they simply things in a different way than do perhaps evangelicals, muslims of really any group that has the timerity to voice it's thoughts out loud.
"Ahh!" I hear you say, "but aren't they trying to take over the world and aren't they poisoning our youth with their communist filth?"
No more than anyone else and that's the real issue, it's the never ending struggle between those who're know they're always right and those who really believe they're always right.
The truth of course is that nobody is always right, they just think they are, in fact so much so that they're prepared to kill anyone who thinks differently.
This wanten wish to obliterate anyone you disagree with is a form of insanity.. but of course the insane would never agree to countenance this and why would they when they're the ones running the asylum.
I didn't say they're bad people but the extremist ideology that they subscribe to is deeply divisive and definitely rotten. Show me a successful marxist country.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 10:37 pm
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"trained marxists" again?........ skilled at jumping through hoops, presumably.
They have described themselves as that and you're trivialising it. Why is that? What do you think the founder meant by it when answering the question asked of her? And bear in mind the context of the question.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 10:53 pm
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I didn't say they're bad people but the extremist ideology that they subscribe to is deeply divisive and definitely rotten. Show me a successful marxist country.
That is your opinion, which is no more valid than anyone else's. Fairly obviously the current ideology in the USA is "deeply divisive and definitely rotten" too.

However, show me any "Marxist" country that ever existed...... not something you might want to call Marxist, but any country that followed Marxist principles without substantial input from other actors.
The USSR? If it was Marxist, why was Trotsky exiled and killed? Leninism is to Marxism what snake-handling is to Luther.
China? Firstly, it was based on Leninism (see above) and, secondly, have you not heard of Mao's "Little Red Book".... (hint, it wasn't written by Karl)....
Others?
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They have described themselves as that and you're trivialising it. Why is that? What do you think the founder meant by it when answering the question asked of her? And bear in mind the context of the question.
The founder also describes herself as "queer"..... are you suggesting all BLM members are the same? I think what she was trying to say was that they may have studied the methodology of disruption which has become a handbook for marxist agitation over the years, in the face of suppression, overt ot covert, by state powers. She may, or may not, align with Marxist principles, but would certainly want to align with a methodology that has proven successful.

Be careful pointing at Marxists everywhere, it has been used before - and ultimately fails.
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That is your opinion, which is no more valid than anyone else's. Fairly obviously the current ideology in the USA is "deeply divisive and definitely rotten" too.
It most definitely is far from perfect but it's fundamentals are sound. It needs to introduce a Health Service similar to the NHS and identify and address the root causes of living in poverty, high crime rates and high annual immigration. And a whole heap of other stuff. But topple it all and start from scratch? I don't think so.

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However, show me any "Marxist" country that ever existed...... not something you might want to call Marxist, but any country that followed Marxist principles without substantial input from other actors.
The USSR? If it was Marxist, why was Trotsky exiled and killed? Leninism is to Marxism what snake-handling is to Luther.
China? Firstly, it was based on Leninism (see above) and, secondly, have you not heard of Mao's "Little Red Book".... (hint, it wasn't written by Karl)....
Others?
All those ideologies are from the same deeply authoritarian extreme left end of the political spectrum. And in all of them they begin by wiping out everyone who is different to them and once that is done they attack their own. Look at the Soviet Union. Look at China. Look at Cambodia. How many millions of deaths are just those three countries between them responsible for? And as for all of the other socialist/marxist/communist paradises: Which of them are better off now thanks to their "revolution"?
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They have described themselves as that and you're trivialising it. Why is that? What do you think the founder meant by it when answering the question asked of her? And bear in mind the context of the question.
I could call myself a trained accountant, but it wouldn't be true....

Yet if I called myself a trained asshole, would you ask what training I'd received.?
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I could call myself a trained accountant, but it wouldn't be true....

Yet if I called myself a trained asshole, would you ask what training I'd received.?
I know what training you received A Locker Room thread proves it along with several others including myself.
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Old Jun 22nd 2020, 12:48 am
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It most definitely is far from perfect but it's fundamentals are sound. It needs to introduce a Health Service similar to the NHS and identify and address the root causes of living in poverty, high crime rates and high annual immigration. And a whole heap of other stuff. But topple it all and start from scratch? I don't think so.

All those ideologies are from the same deeply authoritarian extreme left end of the political spectrum. And in all of them they begin by wiping out everyone who is different to them and once that is done they attack their own. Look at the Soviet Union. Look at China. Look at Cambodia. How many millions of deaths are just those three countries between them responsible for? And as for all of the other socialist/marxist/communist paradises: Which of them are better off now thanks to their "revolution"?
The fundamentals are sound? The things you mention just scratch the surface.... it is a fundamentally corrupt, uncaring, selfish system based on the exploitation of the weak for the benefit of the powerful.

As I expected, you choose to paint all countries as being worse off for their experiments with an alternate system (even though it was not the "Marxism" you so easily use as a catch-all). Perhaps you would like to explain to the serfs in Russia, who were basically slaves to the landowners, how they would have been better off without change...., Likewise China or most of east Asia. I don't support the systems in any of those countries, but they are certainly no worse than those that they replaced..... point to a time in those countries existence when a fundamentally fair system existed..... It's easy to sneer when you don't have to live in sh*t.
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