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Old Jun 21st 2020, 3:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
I wonder what a "trained Marxist" is? As opposed to an untrained one I mean.
A "trained marxist" is someone who knows what the term means as opposed to those who just use it as and adjective of distaste.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 4:00 pm
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Originally Posted by macliam View Post
A "trained marxist" is someone who knows what the term means as opposed to those who just use it as and adjective of distaste.

So a reasonably edited dictionary would be part of the "toolkit" then.

I don't think I have ever had my door knocked on by a Marxist But it would make a nice change from the Jehovahs.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 4:07 pm
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
trained Marxists.
trained Marxists, how do I get my training, please
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 4:07 pm
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
A trained Marxist will be one that has been specifically trained to identify and recruit others to the ideology using a toolkit of techniques. They do a lot more than just door knocking.
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Not really sure about this definition.

I’m probably a “trained Marxist,” in that several of my teachers in sixth form and university were Marxists. None of them showed any interest in identifying and recruiting methodologies, though.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 4:11 pm
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trained Marxists, how do I get my training, please
Do you get a certificate when training is complete? It's a long time since I got a certificate.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 4:47 pm
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Do you get a certificate when training is complete? It's a long time since I got a certificate.
It’s a mail order thing, just $50.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 5:01 pm
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
... using a toolkit of techniques.
Can you point us to this toolkit, I think it will be very useful.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 5:16 pm
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It’s a mail order thing, just $50.
Can I pay for it in Marks?
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 6:29 pm
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Can I pay for it in Marks?
Deutsche or Groucho?

Wouldn't Roubles be more appropriate.

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Old Jun 21st 2020, 6:29 pm
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Originally Posted by kimilseung View Post
Can you point us to this toolkit, I think it will be very useful.
You have to prove you require it and make a donation ............................. "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs".

However, you must prepare to be brainwashed by toxic comments like "Follow your own path, no matter what people say." and obviously anti-American suggestions like "There must be something rotten in the very core of a social system which increases its wealth without diminishing its misery"

Of course, Marx did say "Democracy is the road to socialism.", so clearly, all Democrats are socialists. ..... but then, he also said "The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them"
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 8:58 pm
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A "trained marxist" is someone who knows what the term means as opposed to those who just use it as and adjective of distaste.
Er no. Someone who is trained has been taught the skills and knowledge needed for a particular job or activity. If you want to know what particular Marxist job or activity these women have been trained to do, and what was in that training then you're going to have to ask them. And while you're at it ask them who they received their training from.

Socialist Alternative's take on Black Lives Matter and Marxism:

https://www.socialistalternative.org...atter-marxism/

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Old Jun 21st 2020, 9:13 pm
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Er no. Someone who is trained has been taught the skills and knowledge needed for a particular job or activity. If you want to know what particular job or activity these women have been trained to do, and what was in that training then you're going to have to ask them.

Socialist Alternative's take on Black Lives Matter and Marxism:

https://www.socialistalternative.org...atter-marxism/
"Marxist" is not a job or activity, so by your own definition, your claim is gobbledygook.

Plainly, an organization claiming to be working towards an alternative politic will claim parallels with other movements, plainly it is quite possible that some members of that organization are black, plainly it is not unlikely that they will be involved in BLM. Is any of this a surprise to you?

However, to claim that an entire movement follows the political leanings of some members, even leading or founding members, is to stretch the truth. However, it does not stop some people throwing mud to confuse the less informed......
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 9:28 pm
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I think we can add oath of ignorance to the oath of hypocrisy as obligatory to wear that badge.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 9:34 pm
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"Marxist" is not a job or activity, so by your own definition, your claim is gobbledygook.

Plainly, an organization claiming to be working towards an alternative politic will claim parallels with other movements, plainly it is quite possible that some members of that organization are black, plainly it is not unlikely that they will be involved in BLM. Is any of this a surprise to you?

However, to claim that an entire movement follows the political leanings of some members, even leading or founding members, is to stretch the truth. However, it does not stop some people throwing mud to confuse the less informed......

Some people live in a world where attaching "Marxist" to something as a label just means "bad". So as long as you can find, for example, a website where the two terms "Marxist" and "BLM" appear together you have immediately made BLM bad and wrong.
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Old Jun 21st 2020, 9:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Some people live in a world where attaching "Marxist" to something as a label just means "bad". So as long as you can find, for example, a website where the two terms "Marxist" and "BLM" appear together you have immediately made BLM bad and wrong.
I believe there are even some Marxists who display leftist tendencies and socialist leanings... darn commies!
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