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Old Jun 6th 2017, 5:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux View Post
Kind of interesting that we never hear about this guy though
I think it's because he turned his attention to deep sea exploration after the balloon expedition, so unless you're into that, or follow aviation altitude records, you'll not have heard of him. It doesn't look like he was a pioneer of technology or did much actual discovery other than breaking the altitude record in the balloon.
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Old Jun 6th 2017, 6:17 pm
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing View Post
Get up to 80,000' and above, and the curvature of the Earth becomes much more apparent. Get into space and, obviously, it is confirmed.
Surely that's not curvature of the Earth at all, though. That's refraction of light through the atmosphere.
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Old Jun 6th 2017, 6:23 pm
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Surely that's not curvature of the Earth at all, though. That's refraction of light through the atmosphere.
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux View Post
I had never heard of Auguste Piccard until I started looking into this subject.
That's a still from "The First Men in the Moon" I am on to these fakes stories.
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Old Jun 7th 2017, 5:22 pm
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No enquiring minds on here then?
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Old Jun 7th 2017, 5:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux View Post
No enquiring minds on here then?
As in, people who think there is any validity in Flat Earthism? Doubtful, since we have known the Earth was a sphere, with observational evidence from antiquity and have, in the modern age of flight and space exploration directly observed the spherical Earth.

It's 'cool' these days to reject science (antivax, Christianity, etc), this is just another fad.
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As in, people who think there is any validity in Flat Earthism? Doubtful, since we have known the Earth was a sphere, with observational evidence from antiquity and have, in the modern age of flight and space exploration directly observed the spherical Earth.

It's 'cool' these days to reject science (antivax, Christianity, etc), this is just another fad.
Hmmm OK
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Old Jun 7th 2017, 5:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux View Post
Hmmm OK
Seriously, with the best will in the world, it's bollocks. There is no evidence whatsoever for a flat Earth and we've circumnavigated the globe in ships and aeroplanes; we've been into space, we know it's spherical. Where do these people think ships go when they disappear over the horizon?
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing View Post
Seriously, with the best will in the world, it's bollocks. There is no evidence whatsoever for a flat Earth and we've circumnavigated the globe in ships and aeroplanes; we've been into space, we know it's spherical. Where do these people think ships go when they disappear over the horizon?
Quite. I have an enquiring mind. That's a default position that a scientific education leads one to adopt.

But having an enquiring mind doesn't mean one needs to pay attention to crackpot ideas.

The earth is an oblate sheroid. Ptolemy knew the earth was roughly spherical, and demonstrated it using elementary trignonometry. Columbus knew the earth was a sphere (although he thought it was much smaller than it actually is). Newton, Copernicus, Galileo... there hasn't been an significant challenge to the idea that earth is a spheroid for millennia. For sure, the Roman church dogmatically clung on to an earth-centred model of the universe long after scientists (or "natural philosophers" as they were called at the time) had suggested otherwise, but even most of those models had a spherical earth at the middle of it all.

The idea of "luminiferous aether" has been redundant since the Michelson-Morley experiment in 1887. Again, there were some individuals and institutions who clung on to the idea of luminiferous aether for some time after its existence had been successfully disproved, but no serious physicist has promulgated the idea for well over a century now.
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing View Post
Seriously, with the best will in the world, it's bollocks. There is no evidence whatsoever for a flat Earth and we've circumnavigated the globe in ships and aeroplanes; we've been into space, we know it's spherical. Where do these people think ships go when they disappear over the horizon?

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Old Jun 7th 2017, 6:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Oakvillian View Post
Quite. I have an enquiring mind. That's a default position that a scientific education leads one to adopt.

But having an enquiring mind doesn't mean one needs to pay attention to crackpot ideas.

The earth is an oblate sheroid. Ptolemy knew the earth was roughly spherical, and demonstrated it using elementary trignonometry. Columbus knew the earth was a sphere (although he thought it was much smaller than it actually is). Newton, Copernicus, Galileo... there hasn't been an significant challenge to the idea that earth is a spheroid for millennia. For sure, the Roman church dogmatically clung on to an earth-centred model of the universe long after scientists (or "natural philosophers" as they were called at the time) had suggested otherwise, but even most of those models had a spherical earth at the middle of it all.

The idea of "luminiferous aether" has been redundant since the Michelson-Morley experiment in 1887. Again, there were some individuals and institutions who clung on to the idea of luminiferous aether for some time after its existence had been successfully disproved, but no serious physicist has promulgated the idea for well over a century now.
I'm all for having an open mind on things that we don't yet know everything about (string theory, the origin of the Universe, origin of life, extraterrestrial life etc), but the shape of the Earth is, and has been for millennia, widely known. This one's been wrapped up boys.

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I mean, there's your proof right there
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux View Post
I think it is most likely a realm such as Tesla described


https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/nt-jpg.25715/
It's also worth pointing out that, on the Metabunk page from which your graphic is taken, the whole of the rest of the page is devoted to explaining that Nikola Tesla did not say this. He did mention "the stars in the firmament" in passing, but not in the context of being "attached."

Aside from anything else, Tesla did not refer to what we now call a "Tesla Coil" by that name. He called them "oscillating transformers" or similar terms.

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-ea...la-coil.t8466/
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Surely that's not curvature of the Earth at all, though. That's refraction of light through the atmosphere.
That may be so, but please don't call me Shirley!

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Seriously, with the best will in the world, it's bollocks. There is no evidence whatsoever for a flat Earth and we've circumnavigated the globe in ships and aeroplanes; we've been into space, we know it's spherical. Where do these people think ships go when they disappear over the horizon?
The Bermuda Triangle?
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Old Jun 7th 2017, 6:27 pm
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The Bermuda Triangle?
Red Dwarf season 1 episode 4 ...

RIMMER: All right, then, the Bermuda Triangle. Go on, explain that one.
You know all the answers.

LISTER: No, I agree there. That is a genuine mystery. How did a song
like that ever become a hit? It defies all reason.
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Quite. I have an enquiring mind. That's a default position that a scientific education leads one to adopt...
And also a non-religious one...

But that's a whole different can of potatoes.

Or is it...?
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