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Old Sep 27th 2017, 3:14 pm
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U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May says she is "bitterly disappointed" by the U.S. government's decision to slap duties of almost 220 percent on Bombardier's C series aircraft.

May took to Twitter on Wednesday to say Britain will work with the Montreal-based company to protect jobs, including some 4,000 in Northern Ireland. May has a key alliance with the Northern Ireland-based Democratic Unionist Party to support her minority government in Parliament.

looks like Brexit will work out well with all these favorable UK-US trade agreements

UK leader 'bitterly disappointed' by US ruling on Bombardier | Fox News
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Old Sep 27th 2017, 3:18 pm
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Don't quite see why the Bombardier fracas and Brexit are directly related, though?
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Old Sep 27th 2017, 4:58 pm
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Default Re: The first UK trade agreement loses 4000 UK jobs.

A lot of the parts are exported from the UK I assume. May was tweeting to Trump about the implications of the new tariffs. What happened to picking up the phone? 4000 UK jobs at risk, maybe it was a joint UK/Canada venture?
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A lot of the parts are exported from the UK I assume. May was tweeting to Trump about the implications of the new tariffs. What happened to picking up the phone? 4000 UK jobs at risk, maybe it was a joint UK/Canada venture?
What does this have to do with a "UK trade agreement". In any case the UK cannot sign any trade agreements until Brexit has actually happned, circa 04/2019.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski View Post
What does this have to do with a "UK trade agreement". In any case the UK cannot sign any trade agreements until Brexit has actually happned, circa 04/2019.
If that is the case, why is May poking her nose in?
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Default Re: The first UK trade agreement loses 4000 UK jobs.

Originally Posted by mrken30 View Post
If that is the case, why is May poking her nose in?
You're quick to use the internet to create fake news, why not use it to learn the facts?
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Originally Posted by mrken30 View Post
If that is the case, why is May poking her nose in?
I don't think that expressing an interest in 4,000 jobs in the UK is "poking her nose in". The British government has a legitimate business and political interest in the future of a factory owned by a Canadian company located in the UK, and the jobs that it supports.
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You're quick to use the internet to create fake news, why not use it to learn the facts?


Ian-mstm repeatedly told him to stop posting çräp. I guess that now Ian has left BE, Mr Ken thinks he is off the leash again.

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The Canadian Government subsidized Bombadier, the US imposed ridiculous tariffs, UK jobs are at risk because of this.

What facts am I missing?
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Default Re: The first UK trade agreement loses 4000 UK jobs.

Originally Posted by mrken30 View Post
The Canadian Government subsidized Bombadier, the US imposed ridiculous tariffs, UK jobs are at risk because of this.

What facts am I missing?
That this has <bleep>-all to do with a "trade agreement".

Do you even know what a trade agreement is?

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Default Re: The first UK trade agreement loses 4000 UK jobs.

Oddly, even the Welsh (who traditionally just go along with whatever the English dictate) are flummoxed over this one (and Brexit, too, apparently):

Trump puts massive tax on British-made jet as Brexit fantasy unravels
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Old Sep 27th 2017, 6:48 pm
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Default Re: The first UK trade agreement loses 4000 UK jobs.

Originally Posted by Pulaski View Post
That this has ****-all to do with a "trade agreement".

Do you even know what a trade agreement is?
I guess in NC, tariffs and maybe quotas, do not come under trade agreements. What do you think a trade agreement is?

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Default Re: The first UK trade agreement loses 4000 UK jobs.

I love how this is somehow turned into a UK vs US story in this thread. The former Shorts factory in Belfast is an unfortunate caught-in-the-crossfire victim of an increasingly unhinged sideshow to the renegotiation of NAFTA between the US, Canada and Mexico.

The C-series aircraft are made in Montreal, with some significant subassemblies (the wings, I understand) manufactured by Shorts. Around 1500 Bombardier jobs in Canada, somewhere around 3000 jobs elsewhere in Canada, and (amusingly enough for the US dept of commerce) approx 23,000 jobs in US suppliers across seven states are tied to the C-series production.

The tariff imposition is bizarre in many ways. At 220%, it was nearly three times what even Boeing had asked for. Boeing's complaint is itself odd, in that Boeing does not have a competitive product and did not even bid on the Delta deal - the second-place supplier was Embraer, apparently.

And it's fairly blindingly obvious that while Boeing does not receive direct subsidies for its commercial aircraft operations, it absolutely cross-subsidizes civilian R&D through the lucrative Defense Dept contracts it holds.

This whole farce certainly has absolutely nothing whatever to do with any US-UK trade agreement, and very little to do with NAFTA except as a rather inept bargaining chip in the renegotiations. The Dept of Commerce's beef is with the government of Canada and the province of Quebec.
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Default Re: The first UK trade agreement loses 4000 UK jobs.

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I love how this is somehow turned into a UK vs US story in this thread. The former Shorts factory in Belfast is an unfortunate caught-in-the-crossfire victim of an increasingly unhinged sideshow to the renegotiation of NAFTA between the US, Canada and Mexico.

The C-series aircraft are made in Montreal, with some significant subassemblies (the wings, I understand) manufactured by Shorts. Around 1500 Bombardier jobs in Canada, somewhere around 3000 jobs elsewhere in Canada, and (amusingly enough for the US dept of commerce) approx 23,000 jobs in US suppliers across seven states are tied to the C-series production.

The tariff imposition is bizarre in many ways. At 220%, it was nearly three times what even Boeing had asked for. Boeing's complaint is itself odd, in that Boeing does not have a competitive product and did not even bid on the Delta deal - the second-place supplier was Embraer, apparently.

And it's fairly blindingly obvious that while Boeing does not receive direct subsidies for its commercial aircraft operations, it absolutely cross-subsidizes civilian R&D through the lucrative Defense Dept contracts it holds.

This whole farce certainly has absolutely nothing whatever to do with any US-UK trade agreement, and very little to do with NAFTA except as a rather inept bargaining chip in the renegotiations. The Dept of Commerce's beef is with the government of Canada and the province of Quebec.
Right, nothing directly to do with a US/UK trade deal, but it probably indicates how little influence May has with Trump given that she apparently tried to intervene. I said when May came over to the US and kissed Trump's ass that, given how desperate the UK is going to be to sign trade deals post-Brexit, the US would hold all the cards. This does nothing to change that perception.

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It also shows how complex and global, production flows are these days. The UK has so little influence on what happens to trade deals. You need size to have any clout. If the EU has said we will impose 300% tariffs on Boeing, someone may listen. If the UK says the same, I'm sure no one would bat an eyelid.
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All that stands out to me on all this thread is that one country's leader is now fricking tweeting another country's leader on these matters. I understand creepy arsed Assange has put the fear of god in people regarding 'secrets' but tweeting this stuff? That's just mad.
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