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Old Mar 29th 2021, 6:03 pm
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Roll up, roll up. The Derek Chauvin trial has commenced. It's hard to imagine he will be found not guilty, but who knows, American justice is a strange beast.
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Well when you leave such decisions to 12 random* people of varying education and backgrounds you just never know what the jury will decide.

* well not entirely random, but only word I could think of.

The jury make up from the article below.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/derek-c...ne-2021-03-29/

"Fifteen jurors were selected, though one was dismissed at the beginning of the proceedings, leaving 12 jurors and two alternates to hear the case. The nine women and six men range in age from 20s to 60s. Nine are White, four are Black and two identify as multiracial."

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Roll up, roll up. The Derek Chauvin trial has commenced. It's hard to imagine he will be found not guilty, but who knows, American justice is a strange beast.

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Old Mar 29th 2021, 6:13 pm
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Well when you leave such decisions to 12 random* people of varying education and backgrounds you just never know what the jury will decide.

* well not entirely random, but only word I could think of.
* hand selected ?
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* hand selected ?
Ah yes that is probably a better term, I know each side has ability to pick and choose in some fashion to suit their side, but having never been on a jury or involved in the jury process, I only have a vague knowledge of how it works.
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Ah yes that is probably a better term, I know each side has ability to pick and choose in some fashion to suit their side, but having never been on a jury or involved in the jury process, I only have a vague knowledge of how it works.
Have a read of John Grisham's 'The Runaway Jury'.
I've just started it and it contains a jaundiced description of how US juries are selected.
Enlightening.
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Have a read of John Grisham's 'The Runaway Jury'.
I've seen the movie.
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I've seen the movie.
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Turns out her knelt on George Floyd's neck longer than the 8 min 46 seconds, prosecutors saying it was 9 min 29 seconds.

4 minutes and 45 seconds of Floyd crying out for help, 53 seconds as Floyd flailed due to seizures, and 3 minutes and 51 seconds of Floyd being non-responsive.

Chauvin's defense has accepted the new timing as accurate to support their own arguments.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/29/us/ge...846/index.html


Looks like the defense is going with the officer was trained to use force and that the forced used was reasonable.

"Defense attorney Eric Nelson said that questions about the reasonable use of police force will be a theme of the trial.""He said that the jury will learn about authorized use of force and other Minneapolis police department policies for its officers."

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/der...fec3ffd3d7da60

I did not know that a police dispatcher was watching the scene from a fixed police camera in the area and had called a police Sgt as the dispatcher was concerned with what was happening.



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Looks like the defense is going with the officer was trained to use force and that the forced used was reasonable.

"Defense attorney Eric Nelson said that questions about the reasonable use of police force will be a theme of the trial.""He said that the jury will learn about authorized use of force and other Minneapolis police department policies for its officers."
Someone died through having their airway compressed for over 9 minutes. Forcible restraint may have been appropriate and authorised, but get the suspect cuffed and in the back of the Police car. Job done. Why was George Floyd not placed in the car?
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Someone died through having their airway compressed for over 9 minutes. Forcible restraint may have been appropriate and authorised, but get the suspect cuffed and in the back of the Police car. Job done. Why was George Floyd not placed in the car?
There is video of the cops trying to get him into the car...he resisted.
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Good Lord, Rev Al Sharpton whipping up the mob to view this not as trial of Chauvin, but as a trial on black equality.
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Turns out her knelt on George Floyd's neck longer than the 8 min 46 seconds, prosecutors saying it was 9 min 29 seconds.

4 minutes and 45 seconds of Floyd crying out for help, 53 seconds as Floyd flailed due to seizures, and 3 minutes and 51 seconds of Floyd being non-responsive.

Chauvin's defense has accepted the new timing as accurate to support their own arguments.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/29/us/ge...846/index.html


Looks like the defense is going with the officer was trained to use force and that the forced used was reasonable.

"Defense attorney Eric Nelson said that questions about the reasonable use of police force will be a theme of the trial.""He said that the jury will learn about authorized use of force and other Minneapolis police department policies for its officers."

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/der...fec3ffd3d7da60

I did not know that a police dispatcher was watching the scene from a fixed police camera in the area and had called a police Sgt as the dispatcher was concerned with what was happening.
Hadn't realized Floyd died in hospital, for some reason I thought it was at the scene. There seems to be a tremendous amount of video footage from various sources so at least event sequencing will be straightforward.
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Good Lord, Rev Al Sharpton whipping up the mob to view this not as trial of Chauvin, but as a trial on black equality.
Sharpton is a horrid little man. He always tries to do the same at every opportunity.
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Man was massively doped up, wasn't he? Stuffing down drugs just before his arrest?
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