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Old Apr 10th 2021, 9:23 pm
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
A new Housing Benefit in New Brunswick, Canada. Between $300 and $475 a month for a max three years.
The announcement I heard said it was initially going to people on the waiting list for social housing. NB is the latest province to introduce it apparently, so there may be something similar in other parts.
BC has a couple different programs if you meet the eligibility requirements but the assistance is pretty low.

For the rent assistance program a single parent with 1 dependent child, making 2.900 a month and paying 1,750 a month in rent may receive up to $107.61 per month rental assistance.

A senior, single, income of $1,850 per month, paying 1,100 per month rent can receive up to $180.11 per month rental assistance.

*Assumption living in Vancouver since its the largest area and where most of the province resides.*

Rental Assistance Program.

Those who might be eligible need to meet all of the following-

Some or all Income must be from employment.
Gross annual household income of 40,000 or less.
Need to have at least 1 dependent child
Have less than 100,000 in assets
Pay more than 30% of income towards rent.

Those not eligible include people on disability, those without a dependent child, if you share a kitchen and/or bathroom with your landlord, and such.


Shelter Aid for seniors as well.

60 and older
Lived in BC for at least the preceding 12 months of application
Meet the citizenship/immigration requirements
Pay more than 30% of income towards rent.


Those on disability or general assistance are not eligible for either of the above programs, they receive a $375 ($570 if a couple) for housing as part of their benefits.
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Old Apr 11th 2021, 9:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
I know that objectively speaking we know this is happening, but we push it away. I've been given many first-hand accounts recently due to my current work with a charity, but I watched the video in the linked article this morning and it just made me even angrier. Angry with the government that has provoked this, with the smug, fat Johnson now at the helm and babbling about sunlit uplands, and at our repeated failure to do any better and blaming people for their own misfortunes. And100,000 young people a year now emerge from 15 years of education without even 5 decent gcses to their name. What will happen to them and the places where they live? Large numbers of people go hungry every day. How are we not only still tolerating this, but excusing it?

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-55133081

If you are feeling very down at the moment, you might not want to watch the video.

We have to do better. It's shameful.
^^^ forgive me if I misunderstood or missed something ...my brain doesn't get it.

OP this is all nonsense IMO.

down & out, yet not really down or out.

blame someone else for your situation.

in the UK (nanny state) on poverty with all the hand outs, smart phones, close on your back, shelter, even if its sleeping rough, smokes, booze, alcohol ...

are people in the UK so down & out even if they don't have basic primary school education?

^^^ I say this because I lived it as a child (lard butties were the norm) & it drove home to know how fortunate I was when my FIL born in 1919 sat me down when he turned 80 ( I was in my 50's) about his life in the depression. My Dad died when I was age 13, was up to Mum & I to survive on the council estate.

what he shared stuck with me.

why should I give a frek about "deprivation & poverty" of other people, when I know my government already takes tax dollars to support charitable organizations who skim off the top before giving small amounts to the 'so called needy'

OK, I'm a selfish prick, maybe an 'I'm alright Jack', but you know what - at my age I must care about my family & myself, charity begins at home.

as for 3rd or 4th world countries issues, do those governments give a crap about the natives ...probably not.

I cannot see why G7 give tax payer dollars to so called needy countries.

I hope you all enjoyed your Sunday dinner - looking to see what we're going to eat, likely leftovers cos we usually make 3 meals in one go, eat one, freeze 2. Keep cycling the meals.

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Old Apr 11th 2021, 10:11 pm
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Jsmth321 post#148 & post #149

^^^ seems basic in Canada

broad question to everyone following this thread.

do you get any government support income/housing/other, do you have a car, do you have pets, do you have cell phones/TV/internet

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Originally Posted by not2old View Post
broad question to everyone following this thread.

do you get any government support
income/housing/other,
Yes. Even working fulltime in the UK, many families get some kind of government benefit because of crap pay.

Given that many of the jobs are part-time because companies can schedule 2 x 20hr employees at the same time which they can't do with 1 x 40hr employee, it's not surprising that people need these top-ups.

do you have a car,
No. And transit doesn't run 24/7 where I am.

do you have pets,
Yes. Got when we were both working fulltime. Should I terminate her because I get benefits, or just take her back to the shelter we got her from?

do you have cell
Yes. It's essential these days. It's a cheap Android.

phones/TV/internet
Seriously? Here's a thing. I got all these when we were working fulltimfullIf I cancel, I'm stuck paying out the contract, so I'll keep using the service.

But it's not you paying for it, it's money it's we've been deemed to need to live on. That's 'live on', not 'survive on'. Should we all critique how you spend your income?

Reality cheque please!
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Yes. Even working fulltime in the UK, many families get some kind of government benefit because of crap pay.

Given that many of the jobs are part-time because companies can schedule 2 x 20hr employees at the same time which they can't do with 1 x 40hr employee, it's not surprising that people need these top-ups.



No. And transit doesn't run 24/7 where I am.



Yes. Got when we were both working fulltime. Should I terminate her because I get benefits, or just take her back to the shelter we got her from?



Yes. It's essential these days. It's a cheap Android.



Seriously? Here's a thing. I got all these when we were working fulltimfullIf I cancel, I'm stuck paying out the contract, so I'll keep using the service.

But it's not you paying for it, it's money it's we've been deemed to need to live on. That's 'live on', not 'survive on'. Should we all critique how you spend your income?

Reality cheque please!
Frankly, I don't understand why the minute you realised there were potential support options from the government that applied you didn't just immediately hang yourself for being such a greedy burden.

Shame on you for existing.


PS - Don't forget to kills the pets first.
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Frankly, I don't understand why the minute you realised there were potential support options from the government that applied you didn't just immediately hang yourself for being such a greedy burden.

Shame on you for existing.


PS - Don't forget to kills the pets first.
Us socialist welfare spongers should be ashamed
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DaveLovesDee from your last 2 posts as it related to the OP heading, do you consider yourself & your family deprived in an way?

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Yes. Even working fulltime in the UK, many families get some kind of government benefit because of crap pay.
But it's not you paying for it, it's money it's we've been deemed to need to live on. That's 'live on', not 'survive on'. Should we all critique how you spend your income?!
is it possible living in the UK with all the available government assistance to ever be deprived or in poverty, if so (from your personal knowledge) could you give some examples?

back to my post, thanks for your response ... how is it possible to live in the UK with basic needs to be able to afford to have enough money for pets, cell phones, internet other?

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Originally Posted by not2old View Post
DaveLovesDee from your last 2 posts as it related to the OP heading, do you consider yourself & your family deprived in an way?



is it possible living in the UK with all the available government assistance to ever be deprived or in poverty, if so (from your personal knowledge) could you give some examples?

back to my post, thanks for your response ... how is it possible to live in the UK with basic needs to be able to afford to have enough money for pets, cell phones, internet other?
Are you saying that people who get any form of government income support shouldn't have a pet or any way to communicate except face to face?
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Are you saying that people who get any form of government income support shouldn't have a pet or any way to communicate except face to face?
I'm not saying that, what I am saying/said was related to the OP post & link video.

that when folks say that they don't have enough for basic living 'food & shelter' who are dependent on government support, I was asking do they have pets (which they have to feed & keep healthy) along with cell/mobile phones & internet (what some may say are essential) & whatever else - that I consider as non-essential basic needs of life.

anyone, please jump in to list what you define as essential basic needs & should government provide support to cover those things?

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I'm not saying that, what I am saying/said was related to the OP post & link video.

that when folks say that they don't have enough for basic living 'food & shelter' who are dependent on government support, I was asking do they have pets (which they have to feed & keep healthy) along with cell/mobile phones & internet (what some may say are essential) & whatever else - that I consider as non-essential basic needs of life.

Well of course. Everyone knows that poor people need to have stuff taken away from them in order to motivate them, while rich people need stuff given to them in order to motivate them. The comfort of animals? Hell no. The ability to communicate like everyone else? Absolutely not. Who the hell do they think they are?

I wish you had been there to tell my son, for years, that no, he couldn't have a cat because I couldn't afford to feed and care for one. I'm sure we were both the better for the experience. Character-building, what?

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One of the issues here is that of expectation, particularly when comparing "then" & now.

When I was evicted out of the parental home 50 years ago, aged 17 years and one week, I found myself in pretty dire circumstances (as have many). Fortunately the internet and mobile phone did not exist then (many in the UK did not even have a landline then!). A car was out of the question for 10 years, no TV in my digs for several years (though I was chuffed when I bought a £ 5 transistor radio!),

And so on...

Finally after many years my circumstances improved to the point that I have managed to retire in comfort, after a lot of hard work (again nothing new about that).

My point is that 50 years ago, expectations were lower (& so life was easier?), conversely standards, in respect of the "quality of life" should improve, which in many ways they have, although there will always be casualties along the way.
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DaveLovesDee from your last 2 posts as it related to the OP heading, do you consider yourself & your family deprived in an way?
I currently do not consider myself in poverty. However, When were were both temporarily unemployed at the same time, our joint unemployment income from the DWP was less than half what the UK deems be the poverty line. And we struggled.

Yes, you feel deprived.

is it possible living in the UK with all the available government assistance to ever be deprived or in poverty, if so (from your personal knowledge) could you give some examples?

back to my post, thanks for your response ... how is it possible to live in the UK with basic needs to be able to afford to have enough money for pets, cell phones, internet other?
You have to be able to have cellohones and access to internet to register as a jobseeker. Without these, you don't get paid.

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I'm not saying that, what I am saying/said was related to the OP post & link video.

that when folks say that they don't have enough for basic living 'food & shelter' who are dependent on government support, I was asking do they have pets (which they have to feed & keep healthy) along with cell/mobile phones & internet (what some may say are essential) & whatever else - that I consider as non-essential basic needs of life.

anyone, please jump in to list what you define as essential basic needs & should government provide support to cover those things?
A pet is good for one's mental health, and we've always managed to feed ourselves and the cat.

Phones are essential to contact familt, especially over the last year, internet or tv to keep aware of the news and current pandemic restrictions, etc.

Government support shouldn't be 'the bare minimum'. You get what you pay for, and a family that can afford to choose to eat healthier or do activities together on assistance are going to be happier and mental better to take opportunities that arise.

In the UK, poverty is defined as below 60% of the median income. That's actually not a lot of money when yor bills and food costs rise roughly 3% each year and your incone doesn't.

Have a read of this.. Published 22 May 2019
Poverty in the UK is 'systematic' and 'tragic', says UN special rapporteur

Given the number of different types of benefits in the UK, I've long been a supporter of a simple Universal Basic Income system. Maybe it's time the UK tries it.

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I've long been a supporter of a simple Universal Basic Income system. Maybe it's time the UK tries it.

This.

There is no social benefit to poverty, and it's well past time to stop the Victorian moralising about those in it.
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Given the number of different types of benefits in the UK, I've long been a supporter of a simple Universal Basic Income system. Maybe it's time the UK tries it.
Somebody needs to explain to me how this might work.
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Somebody needs to explain to me how this might work.
Everyone has a tax allowance before they pay tax on their income.
Everyone with no or low income has a means tested minimum level of income.

So introduce a UBI and It's paid to everybody.

Those in work receive it but the personal allowance/rate of tax/tax code is adjusted so they pay more tax.

Those not in work receive it without the hassle of signing on at the dole, no sanctions, nobody keeping tabs on them, huge savings in admin costs.

Anyone with some income already and where UBI gives them more income, now has more of a tax liability.

Essentially it's giving it to everyone, clawing back in taxes where not 'needed' but ensuring those at the bottom have a guarantee of a liveable income without jumping through hoops.

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