Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

Yes, despite not being that progressive, he resents POTUS sending his fatigue-wearing thugs to grab people off the streets of his city. So he got gassed.

He's been busy

Originally Posted by Leslie

Poor man. If he's pissing everybody off though, he might be onto something.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

That is a reasonably viable hypothesis.

Originally Posted by Leslie

Or he could just be very bad at crisis management. I've been entertaining both lines of thought.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

Maybe he could get his cops to gas Trump's cops.

Anyway, sending the Feds in to Portland was a mistake of giant proportions. The place was finally calming down a bit until that happened. Little Beirut was never going to take that lying down.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

Maybe he could get his cops to gas Trump's cops.

Originally Posted by kimilseung

I've spent a little time with it (streaming from Portland) on in the background on these hot evenings while waiting to sleep. Its all so pointless, The feds launch tear gas grenades, people walk back a block or two, feds go back to where they were, people walk back to where they were. more tear gas. Just a show of strength, and gets the feds up and about getting their exercise.

Originally Posted by carcajou

I can't find the link again this morning, sorry.

I saw multiple contradictory reports - some painting it as a deliberate arson, some saying things like wayward firework started a small fire etc. Most were refusing to report it at all.

I decided to go with Oregon Public Broadcasting's version of events, since I thought they were the least likely to be putting a slant on it.

Originally Posted by Leslie

You lost your link? Have you tried retracing your steps? Where were you sitting when these multiple contradictory reports came across your airwaves? Maybe the link fell down into the cushions?

Oh look, I think I found it. How did it get there?

https://www.opb.org/news/article/por...ce-union-fire/

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

You nut, "the other poster" didn't "turn on him". She just pointed out that despite the fact you had characterized him as a progressive, he clearly had other, non-progressive traits such as unleashing tear gas and batons on protesters. You can't turn on someone you never expressed support for in the first place. My OH lived there for years, I'm pretty familiar with his record and yes, in general, he would be classed as progressive. Gassing protesters probably is not progressive.

Originally Posted by carcajou

You claim I am the nut, but you are the one making the case that Ted Wheeler isn't all that progressive?

Are you perhaps, in your explanation of terms above, confusing progressivism with anarchy?

If so, I agree that Ted Wheeler is not an anarchist.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

I think you are trying to have an argument about nothing.

We seem to be at a point in TIO where any and every statement anyone makes gets taken as a throwing down of the gauntlet. It isn't. It's ok to talk like normal people.

Originally Posted by carcajou

No that isn't the link. Completely different story. Same web site however.

The link I saw yesterday, was just about the fire.

Originally Posted by carcajou

I am not throwing down the gauntlet. I am making a statement that some of these mayors are in no-win situations, being aggressively turned against by a very vocal part of their base while continuing to get attacked from the centre and the right.

Originally Posted by Leslie

Oh, is that what you said? Because it didn't sound like that when you said it with completely different words and meanings.