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Old Mar 21st 2020, 6:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 View Post
Many stores here are not taking cash at the moment. Its causing problems for the poorest of society though who don't have credit and debit cards.

We have a debit card but no available credit card so we can't order any supplies or food online.

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so a debit card is not sufficient to sign up for anything? I've never tried it but I would have thought an ATM card backed by Visa or Mastercard would be 'guaranteed' to the merchant. I knew things like car rentals were an issue because they want to stick you with the value of the car ... but online ordering?
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Old Mar 21st 2020, 7:29 pm
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so a debit card is not sufficient to sign up for anything? I've never tried it but I would have thought an ATM card backed by Visa or Mastercard would be 'guaranteed' to the merchant. I knew things like car rentals were an issue because they want to stick you with the value of the car ... but online ordering?
Debit works differently in Canada, its not as widely accepted online because debit is largely processed by Interac who's usefulness online is very limited still. Some banks offer Visa debit but again not all websites accept it, its mostly geared towards non-Canadian websites. Our bank doesn't issue a Visa or Master Card debit card at all. But Amazon and majority of online companies don't do Interac online so its very limited in usefulness.

Canada is a good 20 years behind the US when it comes to debit, but Interac wont give up their bread and butter to Visa/Master Card. I was able to buy things online with my Visa debit linked to my checking account in the US back in 2000 maybe even 1999/1998, but certain by 2000.

They poorest and most vulnerable of society tend to not have bank accounts at all, so its even more difficult now.


I have a credit card, but its just not available for use since we had to use my meager $500 limit for a cash advance to make our rent, it was tough times before this for us, this thing is just pushing us over like many others, we are not alone in that boat, expensive city + low wages = lots of people living check to check with no savings and this virus also eliminated the job I was supposed to have started so that certainly doesn't help things.

Now its just sit and wait this thing out and hope to recover once its done.

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Old Mar 21st 2020, 8:28 pm
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I was wondering about that; while I read conflicting information about how the virus can survive on different surfaces, something absorbent like 'paper' money (which is in fact cotton, in the US ... plastic in the UK?) which then has to be handled by a cashier (and change made, typically) seems inherently more dangerous than using a card and a machine (I know there are machines that take 'bills' but they are not heavily deployed). Perhaps this will finally be the end of cash? I did notice, my daily use ATM card is getting so worn that I'm getting 'chip malfunction' errors every few uses ... I wonder if I can get another one issued at this time? I really wasn't thinking of this as being important but if I can't pay for things at the 'register', I'm going to be screwed!

I'm tempted to wipe my card with alcohol to keep it clean (after I go shopping) but I worry that the alcohol will melt the mag strip.
Keep a credit card with you just in case? You should be able to order a new card ... I would think so anyway. Banks seem to be fully functional other than closing their lobbies. FWIW I washed a credit card in the washing machine once (found it before I put the clothes in the dryer) and it continued to work just fine.
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Just a quick heads up, phones do NOT work well if you put them through the washing machine, even once.
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Old Mar 21st 2020, 8:39 pm
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Just a quick heads up, phones do NOT work well if you put them through the washing machine, even once.
My old Motorola did - a full two hour heavy duty wash in a front-loader, with a pre-soak, and high-speed spin! .... I hadn't even realized it was in there until I took out my yard clothes that had need intensive laundering.

I took my phone, removed the back, and the battery, and placed it with a dehumidifier blowing on it, and the next day it was fine, running perfectly, and you would never have known it had been through the wash. But it was nice and clean.
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Old Mar 21st 2020, 8:53 pm
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My old Motorola did - a full two hour heavy duty wash in a front-loader, with a pre-soak, and high-speed spin! .... I hadn't even realized it was in there until I took out my yard clothes that had need intensive laundering.

I took my phone, removed the back, and the battery, and placed it with a dehumidifier blowing on it, and the next day it was fine, running perfectly, and you would never have known it had been through the wash. But it was nice and clean.
And no dirty phone calls.
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Old Mar 21st 2020, 8:55 pm
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And no dirty phone calls.
I still don't think we should be encouraging money laundering here on BE, though.
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Old Mar 21st 2020, 10:36 pm
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Are they not referring to young Australian adults who don't believe that they're at risk and are thus many are still carrying on with their overly social ways?
I know the data from South Korea showed that the highest levels of transmission were in the 20-29 age group (so far as I can remember), but they also had one of the lowest levels of ill-effects. Of course, "ill-effects" is a personal thing and doesn't tell us how many other people in other age groups caught it off them.
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Australian Health Minister Greg Hunt has now used the "L" word (lockdown), saying it may be necessary in parts of Sydney and Melbourne due to the state and local government's inability (or, perhaps in New South Wales' case, unwillingness) to control crowds and enforce social distancing measures.

Doctors in the media now openly talking about shutting down public transport.

Scenes out of Sydney have been particularly alarming, from the cruise ship to Bondi Beach to airport passengers openly bemoaning any lack of checks on arrival and comparing it unfavourably with the countries they departed from.

The Northern Territory has joined Tasmania in closing its borders.
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I'm so over people just not taking this seriously. Friends who I consider smart still coming out with comments like 'We're nothing like China or Italy, just carry on as normal' I don't want people I know and love to get it but Jesus wept wake the **** up!!! There are three houses down our road who are having some sort of multi car gatherings.
I am getting so bloody angry with people in Australia and the UK, where most of the people I love live - as some of you on here and also on my FB page can attest. Seems to me to be a mix of ages, high risk boomers (of which I am one, albeit a very young one!) included. And now people are claiming it's an infringement of their rights not to be allowed on Bondi beach. FFS.

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How low can (some) people go?

Coronavirus scammers targeting vulnerable older people, say police
In Manchester, police say fraudsters are specifically targeting older people who are self-isolating. “They knock on their doors and offer services such as a grocery shop or virus testing but then trick them into parting with their money,” said DCI Helen Critchley of Greater Manchester police’s economic crime and cyber unit.
“One scam has the criminals offering to take their temperature – thus allowing them into the house, where residents can be robbed or worse,” a spokesperson said.
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When there are people like that around, martial law and summary execution can't come soon enough!
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Old Mar 21st 2020, 10:49 pm
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Keep a credit card with you just in case? You should be able to order a new card ... I would think so anyway. Banks seem to be fully functional other than closing their lobbies. FWIW I washed a credit card in the washing machine once (found it before I put the clothes in the dryer) and it continued to work just fine.
I'm sure I can order another one; I'm just a touch concerned that sometimes, possibly by accident, they disable the current one the minute you ask because they automatically assume 'lost or stolen'. I'd feel better calling a human to discuss, but I imagine right now is not the best time to be calling your bank!

I have a few other options, but my current 'strategy' is to keep my wallet in my pocket and have the card already out, to minimize touching my wallet.

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My old Motorola did - a full two hour heavy duty wash in a front-loader, with a pre-soak, and high-speed spin! .... I hadn't even realized it was in there until I took out my yard clothes that had need intensive laundering.

I took my phone, removed the back, and the battery, and placed it with a dehumidifier blowing on it, and the next day it was fine, running perfectly, and you would never have known it had been through the wash. But it was nice and clean.
Conventional wisdom suggests you place the item in a container full of rice, and either just leave it (the rice is a 'dessicant', I think - absorbs moisture) or, 'encourage' it with a spell in the oven on low. Of course, with current food shortages, that might be considered a bit of a waste of rice!
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Old Mar 21st 2020, 11:01 pm
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I am getting so bloody angry with people in Australia and the UK, where most of the people I love live - as some of you on here and also on my FB page can attest. Seems to me to be a mix of ages, high risk boomers (of which I am one, albeit a very young one!) included. And now people are claiming it's an infringement of their rights not to be allowed on Bondi beach. FFS.
Interesting article about teenagers - or 'Spring Breakers' as they are perhaps better described (probably 21 ish)?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-140609

Will spring breakers become super-spreaders?

Basically, after running rampant at whatever bar/brothel they could find, they are now headed home to places where people have actually been careful up until now. I'm certainly seeing this in my area, and I'm in a 'hood that is mostly old folks. Kids are simply unable to comprehend the concept of 'staying put' I guess. The govt. / police really do need to clamp down, which is not going to go down well in these parts ...

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Old Mar 21st 2020, 11:03 pm
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So much for ordering groceries online. Our area only has 2 delivery days each week, and both days same message. The other chain who delivers is so overwhelmed their website keeps crashing when I try.

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I'm sure I can order another one; I'm just a touch concerned that sometimes, possibly by accident, they disable the current one the minute you ask because they automatically assume 'lost or stolen'. I'd feel better calling a human to discuss, but I imagine right now is not the best time to be calling your bank!
I recently filled up with gas at a casino on an Indian reservation (a lot cheaper than the surrounding area; I guess you don't pay federal tax there?) Got a weird non-intelligible error trying to use my credit card at the pump and so went inside and got a different card pre-authorised at the cashier. Didn't think anything of it until I looked at my 'phone 10 minutes later and saw a message saying that the card I'd used at the pump had been disabled. I guess that gas station was a hotbed for card crime. Different situation, of course, but certainly credit cards can get disabled pretty quickly.
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Old Mar 21st 2020, 11:10 pm
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I recently filled up with gas at a casino on an Indian reservation (a lot cheaper than the surrounding area; I guess you don't pay federal tax there?) Got a weird non-intelligible error trying to use my credit card at the pump and so went inside and got a different card pre-authorised at the cashier. Didn't think anything of it until I looked at my 'phone 10 minutes later and saw a message saying that the card I'd used at the pump had been disabled. I guess that gas station was a hotbed for card crime. Different situation, of course, but certainly credit cards can get disabled pretty quickly.
and re-enabling is not usually possible, is it? The only remedy is to issue a new one?
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