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Old Mar 16th 2020, 9:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 View Post
Government should ban all gun sales until this thing blows over, last thing that should be happening is panic buying of guns and ammo.


We have over 100 cases now in BC, and 3 additional deaths which brings deaths to date to 4 I think, the 3 deaths are all linked to a care home which has an outbreak that is linked to 1 employee.

Number of infected out there is surely higher, they have reduced testing to certain categories so majority of people will not be tested, this is either a way to try and keep officials numbers down, or they know its too widespread now to test everyone.

I have self isolated myself, I am showing mild symptoms, so far very much like a mild flu.
Well I'm sitting waiting I tick every box for the high mortality rate... I wish I'd had a dollar for every time i have washed my hands this week, then I could pay the water bill.

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Old Mar 16th 2020, 9:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Well, this is a good point borrowed from a colleague who works in the UK branch of the charity I work for.

"According to No 10 announcement, pubs, clubs, cafes and restaurants are 'expected to close voluntarily'. Sounds sensible but what does that mean? It means it fails to trigger loss of earnings insurance which would come into effect if closures were ordered.
What Boris has done here is told everyone to stay away from venues whilst guaranteeing they will have no safety net. An announcement entirely designed to protect not people, but insurance companies.
Disgraceful, and hundreds of small enterprises will be the ones to suffer."

Yep spitting feathers here wtf do we do close and we are ducked, stay open and be vilified and same outcome.
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Old Mar 16th 2020, 9:39 pm
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Originally Posted by lansbury View Post
Do I need an answer, no. Am I interested in others opinions to test my decision making by, yes.
You'll be grand. Don't lick any strangers, and all will be well.

Unless that's your thing, then go for it.
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Old Mar 16th 2020, 9:40 pm
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Originally Posted by KJMW View Post
How about if people acted with a modicum of sense? Then you could forget all the nonsense of rationing. Sorry, common sense and rationality! Doesn't sit well with people here.
I think most people do act sensibly and responsibly. But the fact is there’s been no toilet paper available for sale in supermarkets for a couple of weeks, meanwhile it’s for sale online, for 3 or 4 times its usual retail price. I assume it is a combination of sensible people, upping their stock from (say) one month to three months, with people buying up large quantities for profiteering.

What do you think we should do, in these circumstances?
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Old Mar 16th 2020, 9:44 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Which part of a 'well-regulated militia' do these people belong to?
None I would imagine, why would they?

Makes you wonder if there may be an expansion of such forces.
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Old Mar 16th 2020, 9:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Well, this is a good point borrowed from a colleague who works in the UK branch of the charity I work for.

"According to No 10 announcement, pubs, clubs, cafes and restaurants are 'expected to close voluntarily'. Sounds sensible but what does that mean? It means it fails to trigger loss of earnings insurance which would come into effect if closures were ordered.
What Boris has done here is told everyone to stay away from venues whilst guaranteeing they will have no safety net. An announcement entirely designed to protect not people, but insurance companies.
Disgraceful, and hundreds of small enterprises will be the ones to suffer."
Which is a complete contrast to Macron's "Im pronouncing it macaron in my head makes me chuckle every time" 300 Bn safety net for French enterprises and he is moving a Army field hospital into the Alsace region. Hospital / Medical staff will have hotel bills paid to help in anyway alleviate situations.
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Old Mar 16th 2020, 9:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Well, this is a good point borrowed from a colleague who works in the UK branch of the charity I work for.

"According to No 10 announcement, pubs, clubs, cafes and restaurants are 'expected to close voluntarily'. Sounds sensible but what does that mean? It means it fails to trigger loss of earnings insurance which would come into effect if closures were ordered.
What Boris has done here is told everyone to stay away from venues whilst guaranteeing they will have no safety net. An announcement entirely designed to protect not people, but insurance companies.
Disgraceful, and hundreds of small enterprises will be the ones to suffer."
It is not impossible for BI Insurance to cover this, would be very unusual for it to be covered.
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Old Mar 16th 2020, 9:55 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Which part of a 'well-regulated militia' do these people belong to?
... The nutter-fringe must be well represented I'd think DLD.
Then again, if you've been 'Partying-Bigley' over the past few years and now you see it all evaporate in a few days, you're going to be looking for something, or someone to blame.
These last few days have witnessed the implosion of the US economy, at street-level....... I wonder how many have grasped that.
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Old Mar 16th 2020, 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Which part of a 'well-regulated militia' do these people belong to?
I suggest that you take your questions up with the US Supreme Court, who have opined on the subject and are better qualified to rule on the subject than you are!
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Old Mar 16th 2020, 10:00 pm
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It's now about trying to hold off their travel to see if more advice comes for the retreat
If the retreat is responsible & worth its salt it should be shutting itself and refunding.
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Old Mar 16th 2020, 10:10 pm
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I’d reconciled myself to staying holed up in England for the duration. Now it looks like I might be trying to escape to the US after all.

Air Canada have withdrawn their London - Ottawa service. But London to Montreal seems to be running as normal. The Canadian government have closed the border, but (for the time being) US citizens can cross.

My return flight, LHR-YOW, was for April 6. I’m thinking of trying to change it to next Monday, via Montreal or Toronto. I’m just apprehensive about going through Heathrow - I’d try to get a car from here to Heathrow, thus avoiding public transport, but still...
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Old Mar 16th 2020, 10:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Indeed - those who are deluded that there aren't hundreds of thousands of carriers out and about in most countries are fooling themselves. Herd immunity will save those who have real risks, we need to get the mass of the healthy infected and through the phases whilst keeping the old and infirm away. The idea it can somehow be held off until an inoculation can be derived is fantasy.
I agree that the number of people infected and not registered is far higher - in the UK the government are suggesting 10X higher (I think that could easily be an underestimation). However, there is, as yet, no proof of any immunity to this strain of the virus... even less "herd immunity" - it is one of the many things we do not know about it. Immunity is not a given, It is quite possible that the antibodies present will make the infection weaker for the person involved, but they will still have a reaction and they will still be a vector of transmission. Thererefore the "old and infirm" will continue to be at risk - and a new line of study suggests that reaction to COVID-19 may be affected by exposure to other strains of coronavirus (hence a reason why age is a factor, not just infirmity).

The idea of slowing the rate of infection doesn't suppose that the final percentage of people infected will be lower..... just that it will take more time to get there, avoiding overload of the support systems and, potentially, giving time for a less-sever mutation and/or a treatment. The principles of avoiding exposure to the virus and avoiding infection to the virus still apply - the more we do, the slower the rate of infection.
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Old Mar 16th 2020, 10:13 pm
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I’d reconciled myself to staying holed up in England for the duration. Now it looks like I might be trying to escape to the US after all.

Air Canada have withdrawn their London - Ottawa service. But London to Montreal seems to be running as normal. The Canadian government have closed the border, but (for the time being) US citizens can cross.

My return flight, LHR-YOW, was for April 6. I’m thinking of trying to change it to next Monday, via Montreal or Toronto. I’m just apprehensive about going through Heathrow - I’d try to get a car from here to Heathrow, thus avoiding public transport, but still...
Ill be doing the reverse LAX-LHR on the 30th, then training home.
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I’d reconciled myself to staying holed up in England for the duration. Now it looks like I might be trying to escape to the US after all.

Air Canada have withdrawn their London - Ottawa service. But London to Montreal seems to be running as normal. The Canadian government have closed the border, but (for the time being) US citizens can cross.

My return flight, LHR-YOW, was for April 6. I’m thinking of trying to change it to next Monday, via Montreal or Toronto. I’m just apprehensive about going through Heathrow - I’d try to get a car from here to Heathrow, thus avoiding public transport, but still...
Good luck. I suspect Canada will be closing to US Citizens as well in the near future but fingers crossed for you.

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Old Mar 16th 2020, 10:27 pm
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AGAIK the virus doesn’t float around in the air. When someone sneezes or coughs, the droplets fall towards the ground. Obviously if someone sneezes or coughs in the nearby vicinity you may be in contact with the droplets. That rears another problem...is it on the ground? Can we carry it home on shoes or paws?
You are correct, the virus is liquid-borne - this is why a distance of a metre is suggested (the cough zone) and why it is important to wash your hands and avoid contact with the eyes and soft tissue.

It doesn't produce gastric impact (so why the toilet paper frenzy, FGS?) it is respiratory. It's nor a bacteria, it's not a germ, it's a virus. Using wet-wipes and anti-bacterial gel on your hands will have little effect (so that explains the dearth of gel in the supermarkets...??), you need to wash your hands under HOT water for 20 seconds or use high-purity alcohol (80%).

However, in the absence of immunity (or immunization) 40-60% of a given population will still be infected in the end and the gravity of that infection will depend on factors of age and infirmity - as far as has been seen to date. The incidence of mortality amongst older patients who are not otherwise infirm is giving cause for concern.....

The actions of social distancing and hygiene are only to slow the rate of infection, thus allowing support services a better chance of coping with the number of critical patients.

Be careful out there.....
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