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Old Dec 30th 2019, 9:57 am
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the self-identified female got an erection.

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exactly the sort which will arise and need addressing.
This is what we find
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Old Dec 30th 2019, 10:21 am
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Old Dec 30th 2019, 11:38 am
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Why would the child be uncomfortable? You're putting your issues on the hypothetical child. They would be growing up with parents who love them and who will explain at some point should the child be remotely interested. I can't say my parents' gender/sexuality has ever played any part in my life. They are (were) just my parents. Why would these children be any different?
This. At least, we hope that they will be loving parents. In reality they are probably just as likely to be loving parents, or not, as your average conventional ("cis-gendered") parents are.

Cases like this are going to remain very rare, at least in our lifetimes. What is not all that rare, so I've been told, are women who smoke regularly throughout pregnancy. The child screams through its first days as it is forced to kick its addiction. What a way to start life.

Yet somehow society still thinks the parents who have swapped genders are the freaks. Society needs to take a harder look at itself.
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I responded to this yesterday but for some reason the post was deleted.



I don't know but whatever the current scale, the potential scale is considerable.



This is not relevant. I'm not suggesting that anyone should live as a inappropriate gender.



Well I think the potential problems of the very welcome emancipation of trans people should be considered. And those problems could well be experienced by the trans people themselves in the form of resentment from the wider community that the very real requirements/needs of the few are causing very real problems for the many.

And it just ain't good enough to say 'what's the alternative'.

I'm honestly not clear what, if any, is the problem we are trying to solve.
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Old Dec 30th 2019, 12:33 pm
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This. At least, we hope that they will be loving parents. In reality they are probably just as likely to be loving parents, or not, as your average conventional ("cis-gendered") parents are.

Cases like this are going to remain very rare, at least in our lifetimes. What is not all that rare, so I've been told, are women who smoke regularly throughout pregnancy. The child screams through its first days as it is forced to kick its addiction. What a way to start life.

Yet somehow society still thinks the parents who have swapped genders are the freaks. Society needs to take a harder look at itself.
Indeed.

On the list of parent problems - parents who smoke during pregnancy or in the home after birth; drug-addicted parents; neglectful or abusive parents; parents who die young of preventable disease; no parents. Let's sort these, shall we?

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I do not care what the trendies and literati in Guardianistan are up to or what they say. Sod em.
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I'm honestly not clear what, if any, is the problem we are trying to solve.
OK.
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I worry about people with BAD IDEAS. Probably caused by BAD CHEMICALS in the head.
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There was a picture on twitter of a 'woman' in a dress, standing in a Ladies, and 'she' was holding a fencing foil. a woman walked in, turned round and walked out again, the person claiming to be female had short, male pattern hair and a 5 o'clock shadow, he was just standing there, not in a cublcle or anything, the woman was scared, especially with the presence of a sword, Now it's this type of thing that I feel needs to be adressed, men self identifying as female and demanding to be treated as female, there has been a huge increase in this type of situation, genetic females are getting worried, and not withpout reason. Some of these self identifying males have been emanding to be allowed into women's shelters, and there have been incidents of agtempted rapes. There have also been some local councils, not AFAIK in the UK, which have demanded that these people shopiuld be admitted and even given jobs there.
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Originally Posted by mikelincs View Post
There was a picture on twitter of a 'woman' in a dress, standing in a Ladies, and 'she' was holding a fencing foil. a woman walked in, turned round and walked out again, the person claiming to be female had short, male pattern hair and a 5 o'clock shadow, he was just standing there, not in a cublcle or anything, the woman was scared, especially with the presence of a sword, Now it's this type of thing that I feel needs to be adressed, men self identifying as female and demanding to be treated as female, there has been a huge increase in this type of situation, genetic females are getting worried, and not withpout reason. Some of these self identifying males have been emanding to be allowed into women's shelters, and there have been incidents of agtempted rapes. There have also been some local councils, not AFAIK in the UK, which have demanded that these people shopiuld be admitted and even given jobs there.
How would you address it?

Women have been dealing with violent assault for ever, in public toilets and everywhere else. How much of this threat comes from men either pretending to be transgender or actually transgender? What would you actually do that is different from preventing assault in any other scenario? It isn't as though someone intent on assaulting a woman is going to ask permission before entering a toilet. How many incidences of assault in shelters have their been? And how would you address this? How do you know if a trans person is going to assault someone or not? What's the test? To be clear, I'm not saying it never happens but the % of people who pretend to be trans in order to hurt others must be tiny, and preventing them from doing so can't be that different from any other form of security. Women also assault women in women's toilets and shelters, after all.

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As western culture, and particularly the UK, can't even accept those of differing skin tones or religious beliefs, what's the relevance of this thread please?
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How would you address it?

Women have been dealing with violent assault for ever, in public toilets and everywhere else. How much of this threat comes from men either pretending to be transgender or actually transgender? What would you actually do that is different from preventing assault in any other scenario? It isn't as though someone intent on assaulting a woman is going to ask permission before entering a toilet. How many incidences of assault in shelters have their been? And how would you address this? How do you know if a trans person is going to assault someone or not? What's the test? To be clear, I'm not saying it never happens but the % of people who pretend to be trans in order to hurt others must be tiny, and preventing them from doing so can't be that different from any other form of security. Women also assault women in women's toilets and shelters, after all.
So it's not a problem then?
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So it's not a problem then?
Really?
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As western culture, and particularly the UK, can't even accept those of differing skin tones or religious beliefs, what's the relevance of this thread please?
Seriously?? The UK is one of the most multicultural and accepting country in the world.... yes there are still incidents but over all people mix very well.
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Originally Posted by mikelincs View Post
There was a picture on twitter of a 'woman' in a dress, standing in a Ladies, and 'she' was holding a fencing foil. a woman walked in, turned round and walked out again, the person claiming to be female had short, male pattern hair and a 5 o'clock shadow, he was just standing there, not in a cublcle or anything, the woman was scared, especially with the presence of a sword, Now it's this type of thing that I feel needs to be adressed, men self identifying as female and demanding to be treated as female, there has been a huge increase in this type of situation, genetic females are getting worried, and not withpout reason. Some of these self identifying males have been emanding to be allowed into women's shelters, and there have been incidents of agtempted rapes. There have also been some local councils, not AFAIK in the UK, which have demanded that these people shopiuld be admitted and even given jobs there.
You (or the story you're sharing) appear to.be suggesting this is a Trans issue that needs fixing. To me it appears a person decided to try and terrify/abuse other people because of their own issues and their identity is irrelevant. If some women think they are more likely to be in danger because of this issue then imo they are very naive and have possibly been taken in by some of the more conservative media.
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