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Old Oct 10th 2019, 12:13 pm
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Bipat, you are cordially invited to make your case. First, please explain when so-called CW FOM started and ended, and what level of free movement existed between the CW countries. Please explain in a few sentences rather than posting links (unless a point is being disputed).
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Bipat, you are cordially invited to make your case. First, please explain when so-called CW FOM started and ended, and what level of free movement existed between the CW countries. Please explain in a few sentences rather than posting links (unless a point is being disputed).
All citizens of the British Empire were British subjects.
1949---British Nationality Act.
1952 ---Commonwealth Immigrants Act.

The 1952 Act ended the automatic right of Commonwealth citizens to settle in the UK.

(At the independence of individual commonwealth countries they each made their own rules regarding settlement of British subjects into their countries).
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All citizens of the British Empire were British subjects.
1949---British Nationality Act.
1952 ---Commonwealth Immigrants Act.

The 1952 Act ended the automatic right of Commonwealth citizens to settle in the UK.

(At the independence of individual commonwealth countries they each made their own rules regarding settlement of British subjects into their countries).
If that's the case, no automatic right since 1952, and quasi rights for only three years prior, then I don't see why you arguing about CW FOM in relation to EU FOM. These are two separate issues and separate histories (70 years apart - almost a century, Bipat).
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You introduced into the discussion a Commonwealth country. Post 15290------Should we not reply?
I mentioned Mumbai in the first instance because I knew the city had a major overpopulation problem and I presumed you were familiar with it. I could equally have chosen Mexico City, or Beijing, or a host of other megacities.

There are however interesting parallels between the British Empire and the EU regarding freedom of movement, as the article I linked to shows.
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There are however interesting parallels between the British Empire and the EU regarding freedom of movement, as the article I linked to shows.
In the process of reading it.
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I mentioned Mumbai in the first instance because I knew the city had a major overpopulation problem and I presumed you were familiar with it. I could equally have chosen Mexico City, or Beijing, or a host of other megacities.

There are however interesting parallels between the British Empire and the EU regarding freedom of movement, as the article I linked to shows.
The bit about turning citizens into migrants was also interesting and apt.

I remember people of my parents' generation complaining about how "now they all have British passports and can just move here" - and no, they weren't talking about the white settlers.
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All citizens of the British Empire were British subjects.
1949---British Nationality Act.
1952 ---Commonwealth Immigrants Act.

The 1952 Act ended the automatic right of Commonwealth citizens to settle in the UK.

(At the independence of individual commonwealth countries they each made their own rules regarding settlement of British subjects into their countries).
So, prior to the ending of the automatic right of settlement in the UK, there were 7 members other than UK - namely Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka and the latter 3 had all joined within the previous 5 years.

Not exactly the most comprehensive of arrangements, especially given the comparative difficulty and expense of travel in those days.

I wonder what it was that occasioned the abrupt ending of it?
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All citizens of the British Empire were British subjects.
1949---British Nationality Act.
1952 ---Commonwealth Immigrants Act.

The 1952 Act ended the automatic right of Commonwealth citizens to settle in the UK.

(At the independence of individual commonwealth countries they each made their own rules regarding settlement of British subjects into their countries).

1962, no?
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If that's the case, no automatic right since 1952, and quasi rights for only three years prior, then I don't see why you arguing about CW FOM in relation to EU FOM. These are two separate issues and separate histories (70 years apart - almost a century, Bipat).
They were not "quasi rights', the 1949 Act just put into settled law what had been the 'rights' under the Empire rule.

I mentioned it in relation to EU FOM to indicate stopping Commonwealth FOM did not end migration, or necessarily end good relationship with the countries.
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1962, no?
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I mentioned it in relation to EU FOM to indicate stopping Commonwealth FOM did not end migration, or necessarily end good relationship with the countries.
Excellent straw man.
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1962, no?
Absolutely correct----choked on my cheddar cheese sandwich at my memory lapse.
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