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Old Oct 14th 2019, 11:05 pm
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This is an interesting - and very relevant - brief video report of the theory that a primitive civilisation existed on dry land where the North Sea now exists. Since that time - the theory goes - the waters have risen 300 feet or so. We must presume that ten thousand honest scientists are currently searching for ruins of the ancient factories that must have heated the earth and caused the sea to rise so drastically. Seriously, though, folks - take an open-minded enquiry into what really did cause the warming of the planet in those days, those "yesteryears".
Some have called Doggerland the Stone Age Atlantis of Britain, while others think of it as a sort of prehistoric Garden of Eden. Doggerland was an area of land, now submerged beneath the southern North Sea, that connected Britain to continental Europe. It was flooded by rising sea levels around 8,000 years ago.
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But then, I conclude (from all my reading, you know...) that the cause of our world's climate-change is the sun
In Ron Howard's voice: It isn't ...

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- and that the best way to minimise the sun's influence would be to move the earth a bit further away.
Please tell me, as much for my own entertainment as for anything else, just how exactly you propose we do this
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This is an interesting - and very relevant - brief video report of the theory that a primitive civilisation existed on dry land where the North Sea now exists. Since that time - the theory goes - the waters have risen 300 feet or so. We must presume that ten thousand honest scientists are currently searching for ruins of the ancient factories that must have heated the earth and caused the sea to rise so drastically. Seriously, though, folks - take an open-minded enquiry into what really did cause the warming of the planet in those days, those "yesteryears".
Some have called Doggerland the Stone Age Atlantis of Britain, while others think of it as a sort of prehistoric Garden of Eden. Doggerland was an area of land, now submerged beneath the southern North Sea, that connected Britain to continental Europe. It was flooded by rising sea levels around 8,000 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=ay42l2TCIqc

Ignoring your logical fallacy about climate change, that particular flooding was caused by a vast underwater landslide. So not really a relevant point at all, is it.
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Old Oct 15th 2019, 3:59 pm
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Ignoring your logical fallacy about climate change, that particular flooding was caused by a vast underwater landslide. So not really a relevant point at all, is it.
Confirmation bias - how not to do it
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Old Oct 15th 2019, 4:25 pm
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Confirmation bias - how not to do it
True.

Doggerland is really interesting though. All sorts of stuff down there.
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Ignoring your logical fallacy about climate change, that particular flooding was caused by a vast underwater landslide. So not really a relevant point at all, is it.
Irrelevant as you say.

I've had a quick look at the author of that video - Robert Sepehr. His facebook page is a good place to start.

He's an absolute kook - a serious headbanger.

He is to anthropologists what Andrew Wakefield is to Doctors or Patrick Minford is to Economists.

Apart from anything else he is a white supremacist (I ventured onto the Stormfront forum where he is discussed), and he is into all sorts of weirdo stuff - obsessed with swastikas, mysticism, supposed ancient civilisations, life after death - that kind of thing.

In particular he is into pseudo-scientific nonsense about race and the origins of man.

It's so bizarre that you have to wonder if he believes it himself - it could all be mere moneymaking entertainment fodder for the gullible.

But a serious source for anything he most certainly is not.
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Old Oct 16th 2019, 4:28 pm
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Thanks, spouse. It's certainly hard to argue with "tens of thousands of scientists", especially if they're all experts in climate-change! But people's opinions (including the opinions of scientists who are NOT experts in climate-change) are usually influenced by what they read. For instance, I find this site interesting (link below). I've no idea how many climate-change experts Mr Watts is in contact with, or how expert they are. I've certainly no way of checking his claims. Well, none of us do, really. We all tend to believe people's claims without checking such things, don't we? So. In the end, we know nothing, but believe plenty. A bit like religion. And American politics!
https://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/
Ah. Wattsupwiththat. That bastion of reasoned thinking and evidence-based discussion. Anthony Watts is to meteorology as David Icke is to , well, anything really - a peddler of conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, and complete made-up nonsense. If that's your source for climate "science" then one can hardly be surprised that your views are so seriously divorced from the scientific consensus.

Nobody but fellow conspiracy theorists "believe people's claims" when those claims are made by folks like Watts. You state "I've certainly no way of checking his claims," but that's not really the case, is it? You could always start with somewhere like https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/watts-up-with-that/ - and perhaps examine more about the man himself at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger). It's probably also worth pointing out that, although he worked for some time as a weather reporter on various radio and TV stations, he has no academic or scientific qualifications in meteorology or climate science: he does appear to have studied meteorology at Purdue in the late 1970s but failed to graduate.
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Old Oct 16th 2019, 4:50 pm
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We can scoff at some of these wilder predictions, but it's certainly a good thing that the younger generation are taking note of whats going on in the world and trying to make changes to the things that man has control over. We can't control nature ,we will get the more violent changes like hurricanes ,tornadoes, forest fires, and indeed climate oddities like snowfall in June,or none at all where there should be etc. The earth is moving closer to the sun, thats a fact. The sun will eventually burn out and die ,thats a fact. We may get hit again by a meteor .Not a lot we can do about that. The fact that insects are dying by the billions ,that rain forests are being cut down , that we are losing animal species every year ,that we have a 900 mile 'island ' of plastic in the pacific. Those things we can do something about. and we are.Quietly and patiently, there are people out there who are tackling the bad things we humans have created, and therefore can do something about.
It's not a fact as you know. (But I agree with most of your post).
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It's not a fact as you know. (But I agree with most of your post).
In fact the earth is moving 15cm per year away from the sun, so maybe Gordo was right after all

Of course, when the sun starts to die, it'll expand to very close to, if not beyond, the earth's orbit so it's all relative anyway.
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In fact the earth is moving 15cm per year away from the sun, so maybe Gordo was right after all

Of course, when the sun starts to die, it'll expand to very close to, if not beyond, the earth's orbit so it's all relative anyway.
The infinitesimally small expansion of the orbital radius is due to pressure exerted by the solar wind (including photons which have momentum without having mass). And yes, when in billions of years The Sun goes into Red Giant status, the earth will be likely inside the star and have evaporated.

Now, that's proper climate change.
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The infinitesimally small expansion of the orbital radius is due to pressure exerted by the solar wind (including photons which have momentum without having mass). And yes, when in billions of years The Sun goes into Red Giant status, the earth will be likely inside the star and have evaporated.

Now, that's proper climate change.
At least we have plenty of time to find lots of other planets to **** up before the sun dies anyway.
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Too many people wanting too good a life.
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The Aussie Greta makes far more sense

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This (link below) is also interesting, and probably relevant. Just by the way... I began this thread for people with open minds, not those who go along with whatever the current prejudices are. And it will profit us more if we read and listen to everybody, not just those who present themselves as experts - and certainly not those who don't question what's fed to them. I've said I "lean towards" the global cooling, but BE members who jump to the conclusion that I believe it are wrong, and hopelessly illogical. I do not accept that "climate change" must mean that the argument for either cooling or heating is settled. Anyone who believes that the science is settled is a damn fool. As for man-made climate change, well, it's a long way from being proven, and from being settled. Those who believe it is, should not show their ignorance on this thread.
https://www.newscientist.com/article...m_content=news
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This (link below) is also interesting, and probably relevant. Just by the way... I began this thread for people with open minds, not those who go along with whatever the current prejudices are. And it will profit us more if we read and listen to everybody, not just those who present themselves as experts - and certainly not those who don't question what's fed to them. I've said I "lean towards" the global cooling, but BE members who jump to the conclusion that I believe it are wrong, and hopelessly illogical. I do not accept that "climate change" must mean that the argument for either cooling or heating is settled. Anyone who believes that the science is settled is a damn fool. As for man-made climate change, well, it's a long way from being proven, and from being settled. Those who believe it is, should not show their ignorance on this thread.
https://www.newscientist.com/article...m_content=news
This is nonsense, and I hope you are trolling - because if you really think like this, you are more susceptible to misinformation and disinformation than we already thought you were.

The New Scientist article argues against your supposed case. "More extreme weather conditions," including greater snowfall at unusual times of the year, are an example of climate change. There is no serious argument in any respected scientific publication against anthropogenic climate change. To say "it's a long way from being proven, and far from being settled" is simply false. Demonstrably false.

The effects of such climate change are far-reaching, difficult to predict, and possibly catastrophic. You purport to be based in the Caymans, and so cannot be ignorant of the frequency and severity of tropical storms in the western Atlantic and Caribbean. That is one such effect. Late and heavy snow in springtime in Greenland is another. Unusual patterns of sea-ice melting in the high Arctic are another: it's no coincidence that the number of vessel movements through the North West Passage in recent years is coincident with the rising temperatures in northern latitudes.

The only ignorance being shown on this thread is from those who choose to ignore the evidence being presented to the world by real actual scientists, in favour of fairytales told by tin-foil-hat wearing conspiracy theorists like Anthony Watt.
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