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Old Oct 9th 2019, 11:41 pm
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The report at the link is well worth reading. It contains actual newspaper headline reports from yesteryear.
It would be interesting to read other posts on the subject. Anybody...?
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/idi...al-predictions
"Today's wild predictions about climate doom are likely to be just as true as yesteryear's. The major difference is today's Americans are far more gullible and more likely to spend trillions fighting global warming."
(Not just Americans, of course. Let's not forget the occasional Swedish teenager.)
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It contains actual newspaper headline reports from yesteryear.
Those are not really yesteryear. Can you find something from early 1900's or so.

To me from a brief glance it more means that people of certain generations have been slow and resistant to the idea that they and post WW11 lifestyles have and are causing harm.
If people are now waking up , albeit rather too late, then I am for that. If it takes the younger generations to do that then that is all good. We had our chance and blew it . Time to step aside and let those behind us shape their world

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The report at the link is well worth reading. It contains actual newspaper headline reports from yesteryear.
It would be interesting to read other posts on the subject. Anybody...?
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/idi...al-predictions
"Today's wild predictions about climate doom are likely to be just as true as yesteryear's. The major difference is today's Americans are far more gullible and more likely to spend trillions fighting global warming."
(Not just Americans, of course. Let's not forget the occasional Swedish teenager.)
Climate change science isn't "predicting" and they don't use crystal balls.

They are measuring what has already happened. Which is undeniable. And they hypothesize from that for the future.

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(Not just Americans, of course. Let's not forget the occasional Swedish teenager.)
Er, a little more than just Americans and teenagers. Don't know about you, but I'm always pleased to see young people engaging with current issues and demonstrating that they care about their future. Wouldn't it be awful if they all just sat around complaining that things aren't like the good old days they hear about from their grandparents?
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We can scoff at some of these wilder predictions, but it's certainly a good thing that the younger generation are taking note of whats going on in the world and trying to make changes to the things that man has control over. We can't control nature ,we will get the more violent changes like hurricanes ,tornadoes, forest fires, and indeed climate oddities like snowfall in June,or none at all where there should be etc. The earth is moving closer to the sun, thats a fact. The sun will eventually burn out and die ,thats a fact. We may get hit again by a meteor .Not a lot we can do about that. The fact that insects are dying by the billions ,that rain forests are being cut down , that we are losing animal species every year ,that we have a 900 mile 'island ' of plastic in the pacific. Those things we can do something about. and we are.Quietly and patiently, there are people out there who are tackling the bad things we humans have created, and therefore can do something about.
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An interesting article on the promotion of the idea that climate change isn't happening, or is a good thing, and who is linked to that.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...onomic-affairs

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...sil-fuel-lobby
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Snowing here, time to get the CO2 going.
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I predict 2090. Mum and kid are visiting museum. Kid points to a pair of skis and asks what they are.

Tthey're called skis. People use to strap them to their feet and ski in the snow down hills. They say it was great fun.

Kid asks what snow was
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Went to the nissan garage the other day thinking of trading in diesel xtrail for elec or hibrid do not make them went to supermarket plastic packaging and bags .If things are not changed at point of sale will things ever change not in the short term.
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Unless 6 billion of us cark it and each get reincarnated as ten trees, then the planet is royally ****ed
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Unless 6 billion of us cark it and each get reincarnated as ten trees, then the planet is royally ****ed

I don't know... watched a lovely programme yesterday about a river walk along the river severn. The girl walking it turned at one point and showed a beautiful hillside and valley, covered in trees with stunning autumn foliage. Miles and miles of country park. Then she showed what it had been like 40 yrs before . Miles and miles of spoil heaps ,Mine shafts . chimneys belching smoke etc. The countryside can recover, the world can change .
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Unless 6 billion of us cark it and each get reincarnated as ten trees, then the planet is royally ****ed
No disrespect, Steve, but I think that's bullshit. Doomsayers have been predicting doom for many years,many decades, and many centuries. But I think they are mainly people who don't get out much. From the perspective of a big industrial region, yes, I'm sure things look grim. But it's a big wide world out here, with oodles of square miles of non-industrial land. Of course there are plenty of countries that are grossly over-populated, and their people will no doubt suffer famines as they have always suffered famines. Best advice: don't live there!
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Climate change science isn't "predicting" and they don't use crystal balls. They are measuring what has already happened. Which is undeniable. And they hypothesize from that for the future.
Measuring what has already happened - yes, that is undeniable. But the measuring is not always accurate, and any hypothetical future is not measurable; the past is not always doomed to repeat. Would you ever bet the farm on a football game based on the half-time score?

Until we measure why the ice-caps started melting 12,000 years ago or whenever it was (and I don't think they've ever measured that exactly, have they?), we are looking for a black cat in a coal-mine.
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No disrespect, Steve, but I think that's bullshit. Doomsayers have been predicting doom for many years,many decades, and many centuries. But I think they are mainly people who don't get out much. From the perspective of a big industrial region, yes, I'm sure things look grim. But it's a big wide world out here, with oodles of square miles of non-industrial land. Of course there are plenty of countries that are grossly over-populated, and their people will no doubt suffer famines as they have always suffered famines. Best advice: don't live there!
Trouble is Gordon that our way of life has repercussions in places you wouldn't expect. Are you aware of the animals dying in their thousands because they're starving to death due to their stomachs being filled with plastic? The deforestation in the Amazon, the ever growing list of species going extinct on a daily basis. No disrespect Gordon but you need to get out more.
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I don't know... watched a lovely programme yesterday about a river walk along the river severn. The girl walking it turned at one point and showed a beautiful hillside and valley, covered in trees with stunning autumn foliage. Miles and miles of country park. Then she showed what it had been like 40 yrs before . Miles and miles of spoil heaps ,Mine shafts . chimneys belching smoke etc. The countryside can recover, the world can change .
The world can't sustain human life and it's appetite for resources at the levels they are, let alone what they're going to be in 50 years time. One River walk won't change that I'm afraid, no matter how well intended. The only thing the planet requires from us is our absence, and it won't get it any time soon.
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