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I haves the excess of schadenfreude right now

"Oregon state senator who stopped climate change vote loses home to wildfire" this included money to fight forest fires.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...e-b448017.html
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Not strictly speaking climate change, although related. All UK rivers tested failed pollution tests.

That's not good. I had thought we were making progress on that front.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-and-chemicals
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Not strictly speaking climate change, although related. All UK rivers tested failed pollution tests.

That's not good. I had thought we were making progress on that front.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-and-chemicals
Yes so did i my old fur ball, but it seems we have not made much progress and neither have i.
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Apparently water sample are now showing recreational drugs, wonder what it does to the fishes.

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Apparently water sample are now showing recreational drugs, wonder what it does to the fishes.
They get hooked.
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Apparently water sample are now showing recreational drugs, wonder what it does to the fishes.
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They get hooked.
I had heard that of US waters, but it's probably true in many places. Also antibiotics and prescription drugs like painkillers.
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I had heard that of US waters, but it's probably true in many places. Also antibiotics and prescription drugs like painkillers.

Medications in lakes and rivers is an issue no doubt, at this point doesn't seem to be at levels harmful to humans or land animals, but some aquatic life is affected in a negative way. People might be surprised how little it can take to harm aquatic life, especially inverts like snails, corals, and such they are even more sensitive to stuff in the water than vertebrate animals, it's one reason why in the ocean we are seeing coral die off before fish and other animals, corals are the most sensitive to changes in water conditions.

Anyhow we can limit medications in the water by not throwing out medications in the trash and not dumping them down the toilet, pharmacies will take expired medications back to properly dispose of. As for medications we ingest that's more difficult since not all of it will be used by the body and still come out from our waste products, but there is hope and it's not even difficult, its something that you will find in any basic water filter you buy at the store for your tap water, or in a RO system, and even aquariums use it.

GAC or it by it's full name granular activated carbon, it excels at removing stuff from water hence why it's used in drinking water filters, and aquariums. It doesn't remove 100% but nothing ever will but in studies in some US waste water plants, pharmaceuticals concentrations in the water dropped considerably, Ozone looks promising as well, used to clean drinking water as well, and big public aquarium with huge aquariums use ozone to keep their water clean.

In the past waste water plants were built only to remove certain things, but they can be adapted so the out flow water is cleaner using GAC or Ozone or whatever other means they may find works.

It's not really rocket science, it's just a matter of finding what will adapt scale up the best.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0108160330.htm

Most of Canada treats it's sewage but Victoria, BC still dumps raw sewage into the ocean, it's been a big conflict between Washington and BC for decades, but good news is the treatment plant is almost done....so soon at least Victoria region of BC wont be dumping raw sewage into the ocean anymore, one of Canada's dirty little secrets to most.

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/7...tion-1.5027568

I'd be surprised though if there is any rive or lake near modern city's that doesn't have medications in it.

Anyone not familiar with Orange County, California's water system should take a look, this is what the future should be.

Waste water after it's treated by the Orange County Sanitation District flows over to the GWRS (Groundwater Replenishment System.) where the treated water under goes further treatment consisting of microfiltration, reverse osmosis, and ultraviolet light with hydrogen peroxide. The end product water is almost as pure as distilled water.

From there approx 35 million gallons is pumped into injection wells to create a seawater seawater intrusion barrier, and the remaining water approx 65 million gallons is pumped to percolation basins located in Anaheim, where the water then naturally filters through sand and rock on its way to deep aquifers of the groundwater basin replenishing it.

It's doesn't solve all their water issues, but it sure beats sending the wastewater into the ocean and constantly taking water faster than the natural sources can replenish.

https://www.ocwd.com/gwrs/the-process/


Another neat thing about this system is, Disneyland is in Anaheim, and Disneyland uses a lot of water, aside from what evaporates or is used for landscaping, the rest of the water the resort uses goes to the same system, when Disneyland needs to drain a major water attraction that water no longer goes down storm drains and to the ocean like it used it, it is now diverted to the GWRS.

Anither neat thing Disney is doing, is using what is called purous asphalt, instead of water flowing off it into drains, it flows through it to the ground, and this one dates back to 1955 when the park was built, the storm drains at the park are connected to various underground tunnels where the rain water is diverted to placed around the park such as River's of America, Storybook Land canals, Castle Moat, and Jungle Cruise river, and the water in these places are basically like home aquariums, utilizing natural biological sources to keep the water clean, although not clean to a level it can be used to drink, but its not stagnant water, and has life in it, fish, micro-organism, ducks, and such, a man made river that is suitable for wildlife.

https://www.ocwd.com/gwrs/the-process/


It's a matter of money for most places though, these systems are not perfect, not cheap, and may not be suitable for all city's, but it's a start.

I believe Los Angeles Water District, which is So. California's largest water importer is moving towards a similiar system but not as advanced yet as Orange County, but the work is in progress to get there.

San Diego County may be working on one as well.

A lot of these projects are not "cool" so don't always get the attention they should.




























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Anyhow we can limit medications in the water by not throwing out medications in the trash and not dumping them down the toilet, pharmacies will take expired medications back to properly dispose of.
I think they should buy them back. (Even 'expired' meds are effective for years after)

If they bought them back it would save selling them on the streets.

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Anyone not familiar with Orange County, California's water system should take a look, this is what the future should be.

Waste water after it's treated by the Orange County Sanitation District flows over to the GWRS (Groundwater Replenishment System.) where the treated water under goes further treatment consisting of microfiltration, reverse osmosis, and ultraviolet light with hydrogen peroxide. The end product water is almost as pure as distilled water.

From there approx 35 million gallons is pumped into injection wells to create a seawater seawater intrusion barrier, and the remaining water approx 65 million gallons is pumped to percolation basins located in Anaheim, where the water then naturally filters through sand and rock on its way to deep aquifers of the groundwater basin replenishing it.

It's doesn't solve all their water issues, but it sure beats sending the wastewater into the ocean and constantly taking water faster than the natural sources can replenish.

https://www.ocwd.com/gwrs/the-process/


Another neat thing about this system is, Disneyland is in Anaheim, and Disneyland uses a lot of water, aside from what evaporates or is used for landscaping, the rest of the water the resort uses goes to the same system, when Disneyland needs to drain a major water attraction that water no longer goes down storm drains and to the ocean like it used it, it is now diverted to the GWRS.

Anither neat thing Disney is doing, is using what is called purous asphalt, instead of water flowing off it into drains, it flows through it to the ground, and this one dates back to 1955 when the park was built, the storm drains at the park are connected to various underground tunnels where the rain water is diverted to placed around the park such as River's of America, Storybook Land canals, Castle Moat, and Jungle Cruise river, and the water in these places are basically like home aquariums, utilizing natural biological sources to keep the water clean, although not clean to a level it can be used to drink, but its not stagnant water, and has life in it, fish, micro-organism, ducks, and such, a man made river that is suitable for wildlife.

https://www.ocwd.com/gwrs/the-process/


It's a matter of money for most places though, these systems are not perfect, not cheap, and may not be suitable for all city's, but it's a start.

I believe Los Angeles Water District, which is So. California's largest water importer is moving towards a similiar system but not as advanced yet as Orange County, but the work is in progress to get there.

San Diego County may be working on one as well.

A lot of these projects are not "cool" so don't always get the attention they should.
I was reading about all this last week. I recently drove through LA and later started looking at google satellite maps of the San Gabriel mountains (initially tracking fires there). The 'water' infrastructure in that region (near the city of Azusa, just off 210) is phenomenal. There are massive flood barriers, percolation zones, water purification plants, and so on. The big reason this is being done in LA and not BC is that water costs a fortune in LA (coupled with devastating effects of heavy storms, requiring flood control). LA's drinking water comes from hundreds of miles away in the Owens Valley, OR, even further afield in the Colorado River (hoover dam, etc). Not only is it very expensive due to the difficulty in getting it, but it's also running out ... so conservation is an absolute must. I suspect Vancouver's biggest challenge is getting rid of rainwater, not saving it!

This is the area I was focusing on. It's about 15 minutes further along Interstate 210 after Pasadena.

Whats fascinating is, not just the scope of the projects, but the fact they are located smack in the middle of one of the biggest cities on earth!

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The issue in BC isn't lack of water, our water issues come from well poor infrastructure, Vancouver should never have water restrictions, the amount of water running into the ocean every single day shows this, but where the issue really is in Vancouver is most of the water comes from just three watersheds and as summers get drier and warmer we are facing more water restrictions, not because we lack water there is plenty of water around, but the infrastructure isn't there.

But we are nowhere near So. California water issues, where there is genuinely a lack of natural sources.

Almost all the water restrictions and issues is related to lack of infrastructure to properly utilize the resource and not an actual shortage of water, there is more water in BC than we could ever need.

In really wet storms the getting rid of rainwater is a major issue. One reason why they tend to do the opposite it with grass and not allowing in some city's artificial grass, because it creates more run off, and encourage real grass instead where So. Cal does the opposite.


I always found this area interesting from the air, assuming its Colorado River water being diverted into farms and other uses in California,

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Medications in lakes and rivers is an issue no doubt, at this point doesn't seem to be at levels harmful to humans or land animals, but some aquatic life is affected in a negative way. People might be surprised how little it can take to harm aquatic life, especially inverts like snails, corals, and such they are even more sensitive to stuff in the water than vertebrate animals, it's one reason why in the ocean we are seeing coral die off before fish and other animals, corals are the most sensitive to changes in water conditions.

Anyhow we can limit medications in the water by not throwing out medications in the trash and not dumping them down the toilet, pharmacies will take expired medications back to properly dispose of. As for medications we ingest that's more difficult since not all of it will be used by the body and still come out from our waste products, but there is hope and it's not even difficult, its something that you will find in any basic water filter you buy at the store for your tap water, or in a RO system, and even aquariums use it.

GAC or it by it's full name granular activated carbon, it excels at removing stuff from water hence why it's used in drinking water filters, and aquariums. It doesn't remove 100% but nothing ever will but in studies in some US waste water plants, pharmaceuticals concentrations in the water dropped considerably, Ozone looks promising as well, used to clean drinking water as well, and big public aquarium with huge aquariums use ozone to keep their water clean.

In the past waste water plants were built only to remove certain things, but they can be adapted so the out flow water is cleaner using GAC or Ozone or whatever other means they may find works.

It's not really rocket science, it's just a matter of finding what will adapt scale up the best.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0108160330.htm

Most of Canada treats it's sewage but Victoria, BC still dumps raw sewage into the ocean, it's been a big conflict between Washington and BC for decades, but good news is the treatment plant is almost done....so soon at least Victoria region of BC wont be dumping raw sewage into the ocean anymore, one of Canada's dirty little secrets to most.

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/7...tion-1.5027568

I'd be surprised though if there is any rive or lake near modern city's that doesn't have medications in it.

Anyone not familiar with Orange County, California's water system should take a look, this is what the future should be.

Waste water after it's treated by the Orange County Sanitation District flows over to the GWRS (Groundwater Replenishment System.) where the treated water under goes further treatment consisting of microfiltration, reverse osmosis, and ultraviolet light with hydrogen peroxide. The end product water is almost as pure as distilled water.

From there approx 35 million gallons is pumped into injection wells to create a seawater seawater intrusion barrier, and the remaining water approx 65 million gallons is pumped to percolation basins located in Anaheim, where the water then naturally filters through sand and rock on its way to deep aquifers of the groundwater basin replenishing it.

It's doesn't solve all their water issues, but it sure beats sending the wastewater into the ocean and constantly taking water faster than the natural sources can replenish.

https://www.ocwd.com/gwrs/the-process/


Another neat thing about this system is, Disneyland is in Anaheim, and Disneyland uses a lot of water, aside from what evaporates or is used for landscaping, the rest of the water the resort uses goes to the same system, when Disneyland needs to drain a major water attraction that water no longer goes down storm drains and to the ocean like it used it, it is now diverted to the GWRS.

Anither neat thing Disney is doing, is using what is called purous asphalt, instead of water flowing off it into drains, it flows through it to the ground, and this one dates back to 1955 when the park was built, the storm drains at the park are connected to various underground tunnels where the rain water is diverted to placed around the park such as River's of America, Storybook Land canals, Castle Moat, and Jungle Cruise river, and the water in these places are basically like home aquariums, utilizing natural biological sources to keep the water clean, although not clean to a level it can be used to drink, but its not stagnant water, and has life in it, fish, micro-organism, ducks, and such, a man made river that is suitable for wildlife.

https://www.ocwd.com/gwrs/the-process/


It's a matter of money for most places though, these systems are not perfect, not cheap, and may not be suitable for all city's, but it's a start.

I believe Los Angeles Water District, which is So. California's largest water importer is moving towards a similiar system but not as advanced yet as Orange County, but the work is in progress to get there.

San Diego County may be working on one as well.

A lot of these projects are not "cool" so don't always get the attention they should.

As a complete off-topic side note, you should really stop saying and thinking that you aren't clever or intelligent. This post, along with many others that you have made, clearly shows that you are. You may not have done well in an academic setting for any number of reasons, but that is absolutely not the same thing as lacking intelligence. And you make a lot more sense and show a far better grasp of issues than several BE members I could name and you hold your own just fine in any discussion with anyone. So no more putting yourself down or I'll report you to Jersey, and you know what she's like when roused
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As a complete off-topic side note, you should really stop saying and thinking that you aren't clever or intelligent. This post, along with many others that you have made, clearly shows that you are. You may not have done well in an academic setting for any number of reasons, but that is absolutely not the same thing as lacking intelligence. And you make a lot more sense and show a far better grasp of issues than several BE members I could name and you hold your own just fine in any discussion with anyone. So no more putting yourself down or I'll report you to Jersey, and you know what she's like when roused
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As posted in the Election thread:

There is a good reason I like to shop Patagonia and have trusted my life to Chouinard gear many times since the start of the '80's.

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Nothing like a climate change skeptic as National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s deputy assistant secretary of commerce for environmental observation and prediction.

https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-pr...192631935.html
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Nothing like a climate change skeptic as National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s deputy assistant secretary of commerce for environmental observation and prediction.

https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-pr...192631935.html
FFS. Apparently there's no proof we are undergoing man-made climate change.
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