BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Mar 26th 2018, 12:23 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
It doesn't suppress rents, it ramps them.
They are "guilty" of operating in a market economy.
A state monopoly provider can indeed suppress wages in some sectors - but for many parts of their operation like companies if mass immigration has provided plenty of workers who will work for the wage offered why would they pay more?
Mar 26th 2018, 12:34 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
My error, it was a typo. It should have said wages, which I've now corrected.
Even if their competitors are paying a higher rate?
The private sector has used 'austerity' as an excuse to keep their pay increases down too, especially those who have contracts with the public sector, as the latter needs to keep their external costs down as well.
If they found they could not find employees to work for the existing wages they would have no choice but to increase them.
Mar 26th 2018, 12:51 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
The only reason the private sector and many parts of the public sector can keep wages down is down to an oversupply of labour who will underhouse themselves to work for less.
External pressures are adding to the chancellor’s difficulties. Inflation hit 3% last week, while most public sector wages remain capped at 1%. Azam said: “The average local government worker earns about £20,000 while teaching assistants are paid just £12,000, and all public sector workers have lost thousands due to a planned decade of real-terms pay cuts.
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
If they found they could not find employees to work for the existing wages they would have no choice but to increase them.
And the cost of living for those employees rises more that their pay increases, so effectively they have less money to spend.
Mar 26th 2018, 1:06 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
Austerity puts public workers’ wages below private sector
But if existing public sector employees aren't getting more than a 1% pay rise, how does their employer raise the pay rate for a new-hire doing the same job? That's a sure way of devaluing and demoralising existing employees.
And the cost of living for those employees rises more that their pay increases, so effectively they have less money to spend.
But if existing public sector employees aren't getting more than a 1% pay rise, how does their employer raise the pay rate for a new-hire doing the same job? That's a sure way of devaluing and demoralising existing employees.
And the cost of living for those employees rises more that their pay increases, so effectively they have less money to spend.
This problem of wage suppression happens in the private sector.
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Mar 26th 2018, 1:41 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
Public sector workers wages are set by the Govt so there is no manipulation of wages by the employer.
Mar 26th 2018, 1:56 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
You better watch out, Eric or Lion will be along with a snide remark about a typo.
You don't understand - it's not that simple. You have to work at it to earn those remarks, they're not just thrown around willy-nilly at anybody who fancies themselves for a bit of carelessness with a keyboard. It takes mass uncontrolled net-contributions by the bucketload to achieve that.
Unless it's not a snide remark at all and just repeating or questioning what someone's posted, of course.
Mar 26th 2018, 2:01 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by Red Eric
Eh?
Police constables: £19,971 - £23,124 (minimum) depending on skills and experience - £38,382 (maximum)
So a EU national or non EU national if qualified CANNOT be paid less as the rate is set and its a public sector job.
On September 15, 2017, the Department of Labor published a notice in the Federal Register to announce that, beginning January 1, 2018, the Executive Order 13658 minimum wage rate is increased to $10.35 per hour (82 FR 43408).Jan 8, 2018.
So if I was a car wash operator even though the minimum wage is 10.35 I bet I could find workers willing to do it for less.
Mar 26th 2018, 2:13 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Thanks - that explains that rather better 
It's still possible in a lot of areas of public service to manipulate the wages bill one way or another though, including via the use of fixed term contracts or the use of agency staff and there are plenty of instances of people who are directly employed and find themselves acting beyond their stated responsibilities for no extra pay.
It's still possible in a lot of areas of public service to manipulate the wages bill one way or another though, including via the use of fixed term contracts or the use of agency staff and there are plenty of instances of people who are directly employed and find themselves acting beyond their stated responsibilities for no extra pay.
Mar 26th 2018, 2:18 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
I wonder how much responsibility immigrants have to shoulder for this sort of thing :
DPD to offer couriers sick pay and abolish fines after driver's death
The courier company DPD is to offer all of its drivers sick and holiday pay and will abolish its controversial £150 daily fines for missing work, as part of wholesale reforms to its gig-working model sparked by the death of a driver it charged for attending a medical appointment to treat his diabetes and who later collapsed...
...DPD said on Monday it would offer its 6,000 couriers – more than 5,000 of whom are self-employed piece workers with no employment rights – the right to be classed as workers, with paid holiday, sick pay and access to a pension scheme.
...DPD said on Monday it would offer its 6,000 couriers – more than 5,000 of whom are self-employed piece workers with no employment rights – the right to be classed as workers, with paid holiday, sick pay and access to a pension scheme.
Mar 26th 2018, 2:21 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
Is persistent high net migration the only thing that suppresses wages?
What about employers who think offering £7.50 an hr for an Engineer is reasonable? Aren't they guilty of trying to depress wages?
What about 'austerity', which has seen public sector (and many other workers) pay increase by only 1% (or lower) every year for most of the last 10 years (for those who still have a job). As inflation has risen by more than that each year, millions of workers have had their wages suppressed and even lowered in real terms over the last ten years.
What about employers who think offering £7.50 an hr for an Engineer is reasonable? Aren't they guilty of trying to depress wages?
What about 'austerity', which has seen public sector (and many other workers) pay increase by only 1% (or lower) every year for most of the last 10 years (for those who still have a job). As inflation has risen by more than that each year, millions of workers have had their wages suppressed and even lowered in real terms over the last ten years.
Mar 26th 2018, 2:29 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by Golden Years
If you want to make a valid point about austerity you shouldn't colour it with a nonsense throwaway comment about unemployment because it invalidates the entire post.
Mar 26th 2018, 2:43 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by Red Eric
Seemed a fair enough comment to me - 'austerity' cut hundreds of thousands of public sector posts.
Mar 26th 2018, 2:56 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
This has been happening in Canada and a lot of other countries so not specifically brought on in the UK by Brexit.
The government limit on public sector wages predates brexit.
Austerity has no link to EU membership or immigration ,nor did the global banking crisis that fuelled the austerity program.
Mar 26th 2018, 2:56 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
This has been happening in Canada and a lot of other countries so not specifically brought on in the UK by Brexit.
Mar 26th 2018, 2:58 pm
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Re: BREXIT...what possibly could go wrong?
Originally Posted by Golden Years
If you want to make a valid point about austerity you shouldn't colour it with a nonsense throwaway comment about unemployment because it invalidates the entire post.
