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Old Mar 26th 2018, 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
It doesn't suppress rents, it ramps them.
My error, it was a typo. It should have said wages, which I've now corrected.

They are "guilty" of operating in a market economy.
Even if their competitors are paying a higher rate?

A state monopoly provider can indeed suppress wages in some sectors - but for many parts of their operation like companies if mass immigration has provided plenty of workers who will work for the wage offered why would they pay more?
The private sector has used 'austerity' as an excuse to keep their pay increases down too, especially those who have contracts with the public sector, as the latter needs to keep their external costs down as well.
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Old Mar 26th 2018, 12:34 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
My error, it was a typo. It should have said wages, which I've now corrected.
You better watch out, Eric or Lion will be along with a snide remark about a typo.

Even if their competitors are paying a higher rate?
Yes.

The private sector has used 'austerity' as an excuse to keep their pay increases down too, especially those who have contracts with the public sector, as the latter needs to keep their external costs down as well.
The only reason the private sector and many parts of the public sector can keep wages down is down to an oversupply of labour who will underhouse themselves to work for less.

If they found they could not find employees to work for the existing wages they would have no choice but to increase them.
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Old Mar 26th 2018, 12:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
The only reason the private sector and many parts of the public sector can keep wages down is down to an oversupply of labour who will underhouse themselves to work for less.
Austerity puts public workers’ wages below private sector

External pressures are adding to the chancellor’s difficulties. Inflation hit 3% last week, while most public sector wages remain capped at 1%. Azam said: “The average local government worker earns about £20,000 while teaching assistants are paid just £12,000, and all public sector workers have lost thousands due to a planned decade of real-terms pay cuts.
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If they found they could not find employees to work for the existing wages they would have no choice but to increase them.
But if existing public sector employees aren't getting more than a 1% pay rise, how does their employer raise the pay rate for a new-hire doing the same job? That's a sure way of devaluing and demoralising existing employees.

And the cost of living for those employees rises more that their pay increases, so effectively they have less money to spend.
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Old Mar 26th 2018, 1:06 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Austerity puts public workers’ wages below private sector





But if existing public sector employees aren't getting more than a 1% pay rise, how does their employer raise the pay rate for a new-hire doing the same job? That's a sure way of devaluing and demoralising existing employees.

And the cost of living for those employees rises more that their pay increases, so effectively they have less money to spend.
Public sector workers wages are set by the Govt so there is no manipulation of wages by the employer. They cannot hire any foreign worker EU or Non EU and pay them less wages. Any influx of immigration be it EU or non EU will not suppress public sector wages.
This problem of wage suppression happens in the private sector.
My contract expired nearly 4 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian View Post
Public sector workers wages are set by the Govt so there is no manipulation of wages by the employer.
Eh?
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
You better watch out, Eric or Lion will be along with a snide remark about a typo.
* sigh *

You don't understand - it's not that simple. You have to work at it to earn those remarks, they're not just thrown around willy-nilly at anybody who fancies themselves for a bit of carelessness with a keyboard. It takes mass uncontrolled net-contributions by the bucketload to achieve that.

Unless it's not a snide remark at all and just repeating or questioning what someone's posted, of course.
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
Eh?
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Police constables: £19,971 - £23,124 (minimum) depending on skills and experience - £38,382 (maximum)

So a EU national or non EU national if qualified CANNOT be paid less as the rate is set and its a public sector job.

On September 15, 2017, the Department of Labor published a notice in the Federal Register to announce that, beginning January 1, 2018, the Executive Order 13658 minimum wage rate is increased to $10.35 per hour (82 FR 43408).Jan 8, 2018.

So if I was a car wash operator even though the minimum wage is 10.35 I bet I could find workers willing to do it for less.
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Thanks - that explains that rather better

It's still possible in a lot of areas of public service to manipulate the wages bill one way or another though, including via the use of fixed term contracts or the use of agency staff and there are plenty of instances of people who are directly employed and find themselves acting beyond their stated responsibilities for no extra pay.
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I wonder how much responsibility immigrants have to shoulder for this sort of thing :

The courier company DPD is to offer all of its drivers sick and holiday pay and will abolish its controversial £150 daily fines for missing work, as part of wholesale reforms to its gig-working model sparked by the death of a driver it charged for attending a medical appointment to treat his diabetes and who later collapsed...

...DPD said on Monday it would offer its 6,000 couriers – more than 5,000 of whom are self-employed piece workers with no employment rights – the right to be classed as workers, with paid holiday, sick pay and access to a pension scheme.
DPD to offer couriers sick pay and abolish fines after driver's death
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Is persistent high net migration the only thing that suppresses wages?

What about employers who think offering £7.50 an hr for an Engineer is reasonable? Aren't they guilty of trying to depress wages?

What about 'austerity', which has seen public sector (and many other workers) pay increase by only 1% (or lower) every year for most of the last 10 years (for those who still have a job). As inflation has risen by more than that each year, millions of workers have had their wages suppressed and even lowered in real terms over the last ten years.
If you want to make a valid point about austerity you shouldn't colour it with a nonsense throwaway comment about unemployment because it invalidates the entire post.
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If you want to make a valid point about austerity you shouldn't colour it with a nonsense throwaway comment about unemployment because it invalidates the entire post.
Seemed a fair enough comment to me - 'austerity' cut hundreds of thousands of public sector posts.
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Seemed a fair enough comment to me - 'austerity' cut hundreds of thousands of public sector posts.
This has been happening in Canada and a lot of other countries so not specifically brought on in the UK by Brexit.
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian View Post
This has been happening in Canada and a lot of other countries so not specifically brought on in the UK by Brexit.
Very true, austerity pre dates brexit.
The government limit on public sector wages predates brexit.
Austerity has no link to EU membership or immigration ,nor did the global banking crisis that fuelled the austerity program.
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian View Post
This has been happening in Canada and a lot of other countries so not specifically brought on in the UK by Brexit.
Exactly my point. It's not Brexit-related or migrant-related. It's to do with finding any excuse to cut jobs and pay rates them blaming everyone but the government and employer.
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Originally Posted by Golden Years View Post
If you want to make a valid point about austerity you shouldn't colour it with a nonsense throwaway comment about unemployment because it invalidates the entire post.
Just because you state it's a 'nonsense throwaway comment' doesn't make it one.
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