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Old Apr 29th 2019, 8:26 am
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
Not going your way is it, in Spain , yes a far right party has won seats, a nationalist, pro EU party, the pro EU centre left grouping will form the government.
¡no pasarán!
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Old Apr 29th 2019, 9:41 am
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¡no pasarán!

One of my " reading room " books is Anthony Beevors history of the Spanish civil war.
The tacit support given to Franco by the British establishment, the 100s thousands murdered by the Nationalists.
While Vox got votes other parties of the right were decimated , popularism has not made the breakthrough in Spain..
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
¡no pasarán!
.... and just after 25 Abril too!

O Povo, Unido, Jamais será vencido!!

The rise of this right wing in Spain is not due to the same reasons as elsewhere (indeed, the rise of such parties is normally a local phenomenon).
In Spain it is a reaction to the fear that Catalunya should achieve any form of independence and take with it a large proportion of the "national wealth" (i.e. the wealth created in Catalunya but coopted by the rest of Spain). Time to resist - Desperta Ferro!
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No pasarán

23 seats out of 350, and an overall failure by the far and less-far right.

Gracias amigos.
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Old Apr 29th 2019, 2:24 pm
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No pasarán

23 seats out of 350, and an overall failure by the far and less-far right.

Gracias amigos.
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Whatever happened to the anti EU popularist surge of the right
Could it be that the Spanish are not addicted to minority views on youcrap.
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They remember Franco.
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Old Apr 29th 2019, 6:17 pm
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Whatever happened to the anti EU popularist surge of the right
Could it be that the Spanish are not addicted to minority views on youcrap.
The whole of the Iberian Peninsular now a pleasant shade of pink. Scandinavia also looking solid with Finland's centre-left making their best showing in 20 years to come top in their elections, Sweden's Social Democrats holding power in their elections and Denmark's polling very well in advance of their elections this summer.

With Syriza still holding up well in Greece and Italy's Democratic Party rocketing back up the polls it's beginning to look like a giant pincer movement. Come on in UK - the water's warm. Revoke A50, vote in JC as PM and let the good times roll!

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The whole of the Iberian Peninsular now a pleasant shade of pink. Scandinavia also looking solid with Finland's centre-left making their best showing in 20 years to come top in their elections, Sweden's Social Democrats holding power in their elections and Denmark's polling very well in advance of their elections this summer.

With Syriza still holding up well in Greece and Italy's Democratic Party rocketing back up the polls it's beginning to look like a giant pincer movement. Come on in UK - the water's warm. Revoke A50, vote in JC as PM and let the good times roll!

That could explain the absence of one or two posters recently 😁😁
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That could explain the absence of one or two posters recently 😁😁
It's the school holidays. They could be away with their parents......
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It's the school holidays. They could be away with their parents......
Probably to Europe

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Hope they aren't here. Brits already have a bad reputation.
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I'm sure it'll improve immeasurably once they establish that they're entirely motivated by their concerns for the UK's downtrodden masses. It all seems so much clearer as one jets in at 35,000ft to one's holiday home in Spain or wherever.
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
One of my " reading room " books is Anthony Beevors history of the Spanish civil war.
The tacit support given to Franco by the British establishment, the 100s thousands murdered by the Nationalists.
While Vox got votes other parties of the right were decimated , popularism has not made the breakthrough in Spain..
I had wanted to pick up on this earlier. Does your book mention the fact that at the start of the conflict the Republican Govt held the world's sixth largest gold reserves, yet due to the antics of the Chaps in the City of London, two years later they couldn't even arrange an international loan for medical supplies.
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They remember Franco.
Who was flown into Spain from the Canary Islands by a fanatical Brits who financed the trip by...... Guesses.....????
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Hope they aren't here. Brits already have a bad reputation.
See the above AND the bombing by the fascists of a British operated port in Spain during the conflict which killed hundreds of Spaniards while a Royal Navy destroyer sent to evacuate the Brits had to watch and do nothing on orders from the UK govt
.... History.... Once you start scratching the surface all manner of awkward things crawl out from underneath...
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I had wanted to pick up on this earlier. Does your book mention the fact that at the start of the conflict the Republican Govt held the world's sixth largest gold reserves, yet due to the antics of the Chaps in the City of London, two years later they couldn't even arrange an international loan for medical supplies.

Who was flown into Spain from the Canary Islands by a fanatical Brits who financed the trip by...... Guesses.....????

See the above AND the bombing by the fascists of a British operated port in Spain during the conflict which killed hundreds of Spaniards while a Royal Navy destroyer sent to evacuate the Brits had to watch and do nothing on orders from the UK govt
.... History.... Once you start scratching the surface all manner of awkward things crawl out from underneath...
My father was a young radio enthusiast and remembers tuning in to "foreign" radio from Ireland to hear the calls of "¡Arriba España! ¡Arriba Franco!"
The Spanish civil war saw the new Ireland divided, even within the old IRA/Free Stater divisions..... with fellow Limerickmen like Frank Ryan going off to fight with the 15th International Brigade (and later being handed over to the Nazis when captured), but the majority being convinced by the Catholic church that this was a crusade against atheism and forming a fascist brigade under the command of Eoin O'Duffy to fight for Franco.

They were remarkably unsuccessful, but returned with stories of how they had watched Franco's men machine-gunning captured Republican prisoners every day whilst they were training at Caceres. My Grandfather, reportedly, predicted the failure of the episode, saying O'Duffy was "a gobshite when in the IRA and a bigger one out of it!" SWMBOs connection is even closer - although Salazar was already in power and supported his fellow fascist, her grandfather crossed the border to fight for the Republicans.... and the only reason he escaped jail on his return was because the PIDE thought he was just a mouthy drunk!
But my favourite song that time was supplied from the unlikely source of Fred Wedlock, mostly known as a comedy folksinger - but seems to sum up the black humour of such a crusade -
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I had wanted to pick up on this earlier. Does your book mention the fact that at the start of the conflict the Republican Govt held the world's sixth largest gold reserves, yet due to the antics of the Chaps in the City of London, two years later they couldn't even arrange an international loan for medical supplies.

Who was flown into Spain from the Canary Islands by a fanatical Brits who financed the trip by...... Guesses.....????

See the above AND the bombing by the fascists of a British operated port in Spain during the conflict which killed hundreds of Spaniards while a Royal Navy destroyer sent to evacuate the Brits had to watch and do nothing on orders from the UK govt
.... History.... Once you start scratching the surface all manner of awkward things crawl out from underneath...
The book confirms that the bulk of the gold reserves ended up in Moscow as payment for arms..
The republic was short of cash for much of its existence.
The nationalist mortgaged the Spanish economy to Germany and Italy as well as major mining corporations in return for their support..
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