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Old Apr 27th 2019, 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
The treaties plus the recent ECJ decision on A50 revocation between them forbid preventing the UK's participation in the elections and doing so would effectively have meant closing off options which remain on the table and helping the May government in its bid to create a false 2 way choice.
The UK is participating against the wishes of those Tories in government.
A blow struck for democracy
Yes, I follow that Eric and all you say is perfectly true, but it just goes against my personal grain of what a reasonable person would consider fair.
Remembering that the UK spent the first decade after ECSC formation belittling & trying to strangle the future EU at birth - it failed
Then it spent a decade or so trying to get inside to do the same thing - it failed
Then when it was finally allowed in, it spent 40+ years trying to divide, cause friction and prevent progress to a united Europe. It had every opt-out and derogation going, clawed back "it's money" and tried to delay the creation of the € - it failed
Post 2016 it spent 3 years in the pretence of negotiatiions to leave while trying to splinter 27 other member states - It failed
Now it's given a vote which, imo, will encourage every group of extremist right-wing nut-jobs & failed geriatrics a chance for paid jobs to cause more division.
The falsity that after all this the EU will ever consider having the UK back, let alone give it preferential treatment or trade deals is just a Tory perversion of the truth, especially for ordinary Brits whose sole protection is the Social Chapter by membership - AND bearing in mind that the declared Tory policy once the UK has finally left, is then to revoke membership of the ECHR and Convention.
Fairness? Democracy? You might as well speak Swahili to these Bast****.
Now, having paid my IMI i'm going for a café e torrada de azeitona and beach stroll...
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Old Apr 27th 2019, 11:25 am
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Maybe. But Eric's right. The letter of the law prohibits sidelining the UK from the elections. Until it's out. And the EU tends to stick to its legal obligations. Obsessively.

Having said that, it's not a good thing for the UK to participate. The stated intention from the Brexit side seems to be to take advantage of the vote to attempt to install devisive and disruptive forces within. That too will likely fail, and obviously, it has no practical purpose for a Britain that claims to be leaving. As you suggest, perhaps an agenda to simply "make things harder" for the EU, but that's just vindictive, which is a very dangerous game to play.

Just leave, please.
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Originally Posted by 007Steve View Post
Yes, I follow that Eric and all you say is perfectly true, but it just goes against my personal grain of what a reasonable person would consider fair.
Remembering that the UK spent the first decade after ECSC formation belittling & trying to strangle the future EU at birth - it failed
Then it spent a decade or so trying to get inside to do the same thing - it failed
Then when it was finally allowed in, it spent 40+ years trying to divide, cause friction and prevent progress to a united Europe. It had every opt-out and derogation going, clawed back "it's money" and tried to delay the creation of the € - it failed
Post 2016 it spent 3 years in the pretence of negotiatiions to leave while trying to splinter 27 other member states - It failed
Now it's given a vote which, imo, will encourage every group of extremist right-wing nut-jobs & failed geriatrics a chance for paid jobs to cause more division.
The falsity that after all this the EU will ever consider having the UK back, let alone give it preferential treatment or trade deals is just a Tory perversion of the truth, especially for ordinary Brits whose sole protection is the Social Chapter by membership - AND bearing in mind that the declared Tory policy once the UK has finally left, is then to revoke membership of the ECHR and Convention.
Fairness? Democracy? You might as well speak Swahili to these Bast****.
Now, having paid my IMI i'm going for a café e torrada de azeitona and beach stroll...
sums it up very well.
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Old Apr 27th 2019, 1:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Expatrick View Post
sums it up very well.
Yes, I fully agree with Steve as well.
However, Eric is right. Since the UK is still a full member they must participate in the EU elections.
Wasn't that the reason Macron didn't want to give the UK such a long extension ?
He can see trouble ahead.
One has to wait and see how well behaved (or not) the UK MEP's will be for the remaining months before Brexit ... if it happens at all
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Originally Posted by Annetje View Post
Yes, I fully agree with Steve as well.
However, Eric is right. Since the UK is still a full member they must participate in the EU elections.
Wasn't that the reason Macron didn't want to give the UK such a long extension ?
He can see trouble ahead.
One has to wait and see how well behaved (or not) the UK MEP's will be for the remaining months before Brexit ... if it happens at all
Based on previous Farage behaviour, the MEPs from other countries will just roll their eyes and laugh at the juvenile antics.

It will be very embarrassing for the serious MEPs from the UK though, if they have to deal with that sort of thing.
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I'm not sure how much UK participation in these elections has the potential to completely disrupt the workings of the EP.

We already provide a definite 28 hardline Eurosceptics vs 26 proper MEPs before we come to the vexed question of how to declare the 19 mainly Eurosceptic Conservatives (some of whom score pretty highly on the Kipper Scale).

And how exactly are they going to achieve this feared disruption? Most of them allegedly don't spend a lot of time doing much EU related work, so other than Farage's hit and run efforts where he delivers a diatribe that's nothing to do with the day's business, purely to boost his admiring audience outside the Parliament (and which he only gets to do because he's a nominated spokesperson) and the occasional fracas on the premises, what else are they planning?

Anyway, you never know - we might actually achieve a decent turnout in the elections this year and return a not-so-shabby assembly of MEPs really worth the candle, who can dedicate themselves to gaining the admiration and respect of their colleagues as opposed to playing about with peashooters or whatever it is the other lot get up to, at least until the UK gets around to holding another opinion poll.
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As I walked through town this afternoon, I had to swerve to avoid a passing unicorn and in doing so I trod in something noxious.
I had to make for a grassy area to scrape my shoe, but I noticed that it was already covered in Brexit Party.

What a shower, they just gt better and better - they say you can tell a rogue by the company they keep...... but then we all knew about Farage.
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Old Apr 28th 2019, 12:52 am
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The populists don't just pop up and get votes from contented communities. Don't blame the likes of Farage, Robinson , Nick Griffin for doing what they do. They've always existed , and they always will. It's the more "reasonable " politicians that drive ordinary folk into their open arms through apathy and disdain. To concentrate on this lot is to completely miss the root cause of the problem. Sort the root cause and people like the ones above will just fade into obscurity.
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1 View Post
The populists don't just pop up and get votes from contented communities. Don't blame the likes of Farage, Robinson , Nick Griffin for doing what they do. They've always existed , and they always will. It's the more "reasonable " politicians that drive ordinary folk into their open arms through apathy and disdain. To concentrate on this lot is to completely miss the root cause of the problem. Sort the root cause and people like the ones above will just fade into obscurity.
Whilst I accept what you say about the underlying dissatisfaction, I absolutely blame sh*ts like Griffin, Yaxley-Lennon and Farage for exploiting this to their own ends. Not to do so is to excuse Mosley for his anti-Jewish rhetoric or Mussolini for playing to Italian self-delusion..... or Hitler for exploiting the problems of Post-WW1 Germany. They know what they are doing and they cynically whip up the emotions of the disadvantaged to further their own agenda. Griffin and Yaxley-Lennon are bully boys, Farage is the "acceptable face" of populist claptrap - an arch-hypocrite and a fraud. History will judge each of them accordingly.
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Whilst I accept what you say about the underlying dissatisfaction, I absolutely blame sh*ts like Griffin, Yaxley-Lennon and Farage for exploiting this to their own ends. Not to do so is to excuse Mosley for his anti-Jewish rhetoric or Mussolini for playing to Italian self-delusion..... or Hitler for exploiting the problems of Post-WW1 Germany. They know what they are doing and they cynically whip up the emotions of the disadvantaged to further their own agenda. Griffin and Yaxley-Lennon are bully boys, Farage is the "acceptable face" of populist claptrap - an arch-hypocrite and a fraud. History will judge each of them accordingly.
Farage is cleverer than the other two, he's in collusion with them behind closed doors and distancing himself in public so he looks more reasonable. Of course these people are exploitative scumbags but were it not for the root cause they'd have no-one disillusioned enough to be exploited.
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1 View Post
Farage is cleverer than the other two, he's in collusion with them behind closed doors and distancing himself in public so he looks more reasonable. Of course these people are exploitative scumbags but were it not for the root cause they'd have no-one disillusioned enough to be exploited.
I agree, Farage is far more toxic. The problem is that there is always something to exploit - and after so many years stumping up to see the bankers get richer and the CEOs flicking two-fingers as they pocket their abusive "rewards" - all the time supported by a Tory party that knows which side its bread is buttered on and keeps telling us that Lord Shitehole really must be paid 150 times as much as the average worker in his company because he is so "special", whilst at the same time he's presiding over the latest scandal - it's no wonder the average joe is less than happy.

The problem is, he's been sold unicorn shite by Farage and co, by the time he realises it's just the same old bullshite it will be too late - and meanwhile there are others actually trying to convince him that it doesn't smell.
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I agree, Farage is far more toxic. The problem is that there is always something to exploit - and after so many years stumping up to see the bankers get richer and the CEOs flicking two-fingers as they pocket their abusive "rewards" - all the time supported by a Tory party that knows which side its bread is buttered on and keeps telling us that Lord Shitehole really must be paid 150 times as much as the average worker in his company because he is so "special", whilst at the same time he's presiding over the latest scandal - it's no wonder the average joe is less than happy.

The problem is, he's been sold unicorn shite by Farage and co, by the time he realises it's just the same old bullshite it will be too late - and meanwhile there are others actually trying to convince him that it doesn't smell.
He's being sold shit by them all, that's the problem there is no one without shite on the menu. The way Joe sees it, at least Farage rolls his in glitter. There will always be his ilk and he will always have a dedicated minority of followers, but the numbers swell with normal people who've simply reached the end of their tether. Mainstream need to own their role in cultivating this toxic situation, but they don't they just vilify poor old Joe for being a racist. We should think ourselves lucky that Joe is staying within the law.
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The EU should have blocked any UK participation in the Union's Elections as a condition of the UK's second extension, imo.
The risk of the UK spreading its malevolent poison far, far outweighs, the loss of democracy to the UK electorate; - as practiced so systematically by the Bast*** English Tories.
Yep, Britain should be cut loose to chart it's own course in the world. The EU's dreams that this can all be swept under their anti-democratic carpet will only hasten their precious project's unravelling and through that our freedom. The EU is doomed anyway, the only question is will it be sooner or will it be later? At least if it does it later it can be an orderly dissolution.
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Maybe. But Eric's right. The letter of the law prohibits sidelining the UK from the elections. Until it's out. And the EU tends to stick to its legal obligations. Obsessively.

Having said that, it's not a good thing for the UK to participate. The stated intention from the Brexit side seems to be to take advantage of the vote to attempt to install devisive and disruptive forces within. That too will likely fail, and obviously, it has no practical purpose for a Britain that claims to be leaving. As you suggest, perhaps an agenda to simply "make things harder" for the EU, but that's just vindictive, which is a very dangerous game to play.

Just leave, please.
Actually, I'm increasingly of the opinion that if we can also help the other eurosceptic countries to leave the EU it will make our extra time stuck in the club worthwhile. Maybe we can form an Exit bloc of nations and work in concert to secure our freedom on our terms.
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Originally Posted by macliam View Post
Whilst I accept what you say about the underlying dissatisfaction, I absolutely blame sh*ts like Griffin, Yaxley-Lennon and Farage for exploiting this to their own ends. Not to do so is to excuse Mosley for his anti-Jewish rhetoric or Mussolini for playing to Italian self-delusion..... or Hitler for exploiting the problems of Post-WW1 Germany. They know what they are doing and they cynically whip up the emotions of the disadvantaged to further their own agenda. Griffin and Yaxley-Lennon are bully boys, Farage is the "acceptable face" of populist claptrap - an arch-hypocrite and a fraud. History will judge each of them accordingly.
Crikey, you're dredging up memories of Nick Griffin, Mussolini, Hitler and Mosley to justify your opposition to Farage? You must be getting desperate
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