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Old Jan 5th 2021, 3:09 pm
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Originally Posted by KJMW View Post
Relevant, oh, you mean as in your previous post? Being misinformed; ring a bell? .
Absolutely. I remember it very well. That's why I used the word Again, because again you seemed unaware of some things widely reported in the media.

The PM's ear has nothing to do with the capacity to read and absorb stuff reported.




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Old Jan 5th 2021, 3:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
The massive change to the status quo is the difference between being inside and being outside the EU and on what basis that has been negotiated. As you have rightly pointed out several times, there was only the question of in or out on the ballot paper and as we also all know there are many ways in which that could have been satisfied besides the one arrived at, which was almost entirely driven by ERG types exerting their grip on the PMs of the day and not as a result of either public opinion or parliament having a proper say in things.

The entire process was mismanaged from start to finish and the result we have on the future trade relationship is very much imbalanced in favour of the EU - something which was not part of any of the leave campaigns' stated intentions.

So in my opinion, a 2nd referendum called prior to the point of no return would not have been an undemocratic solution, given what the government's stated intentions and the negotiations over the terms of the withdrawal alone had revealed (which was quite different to some of the Leave promises and also did not take into account the closeness of the result of the referendum).

However, I would only have been a very lukewarm supporter of a 2nd ref for 2 reasons.

The first is that at the point it could have been of any use (ie before the end of the Article 50 period, when we could still have retained all the special tailor-made UK extra-privileged member benefits, rebates, optouts and other luxury add-ons or take-aways), we would have known relatively little about the future relationship bar the stated intentions in the political statement. And getting that across to a population that has very little appetite for understanding nuance and complexity would have been a mammoth task.

And the second is that the country wasn't mature enough to conduct the first referendum in a civilised manner, respectful of the realities, and that during the intervening interval things had become still more distorted.

Anyway, once the WA had been signed off back in January last year, the issue of a 2nd referendum obviously became totally redundant. And in my view, although the terms of our relationship with the EU will be a constant issue, any question of rejoining will not occur in my lifetime, since there's zero chance of the UK accepting FoM again, let alone the obligations to join Schengen and the Euro currency.
Fortunately your opinion doesn't count for very much!! From a Brexiteers point of view of course.
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Old Jan 5th 2021, 3:55 pm
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Absolutely. I remember it very well. That's why I used the word Again, because again you seemed unaware of some things widely reported in the media.

The PM's ear has nothing to do with the capacity to read and absorb stuff reported.
Ah, again! I missed that! The media of course!
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Old Jan 5th 2021, 4:02 pm
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Originally Posted by KJMW View Post
Fortunately your opinion doesn't count for very much!! From a Brexiteers point of view of course.
I take it back, then.

There's not zero chance of the UK agreeing to FoM and joining the Schengen Area and the Euro and the question is very likely to be put back to the UK electorate in my lifetime. KJMW said so.

Thanks for your input
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Old Jan 5th 2021, 4:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
I take it back, then.

There's not zero chance of the UK agreeing to FoM and joining the Schengen Area and the Euro and the question is very likely to be put back to the UK electorate in my lifetime. KJMW said so.

Thanks for your input

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Old Jan 5th 2021, 4:49 pm
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Ah, again! I missed that! The media of course!
Well, yes, news is generally reported in the news media.
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Old Jan 5th 2021, 5:16 pm
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Are they carping again?
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Old Jan 5th 2021, 9:20 pm
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Mother fears son could die as Brexit stops medical cannabis supply
The mother of a nine-year-old boy with a rare and severe form of epilepsy has told how she fears her son could die after the government announced his supply of a life-changing cannabis medicine from the Netherlands would stop because of Brexit.
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Old Jan 5th 2021, 10:01 pm
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Post Brexit:

NI will join ROI, makes sense, lucky them.
Scotland will use the NI example to gain independence, and rejoin the EU.
Wales will support English pro-EU voters in a 2026 referendum to rejoin an even more intergrated EU.





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Old Jan 5th 2021, 10:37 pm
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Post Brexit:

NI will join ROI, makes sense, lucky them.
Scotland will use the NI example to gain independence, and rejoin the EU.
Wales will support English pro-EU voters in a 2026 referendum to rejoin an even more intergrated EU.
No disrespect intended, but I believe that we recently gained a predictions thread:

https://britishexpats.com/forum/take...future-936234/

Going forwards this one would be better starting out with actualities.

Maybe.
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Old Jan 5th 2021, 11:18 pm
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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy View Post
No disrespect intended, but I believe that we recently gained a predictions thread:

https://britishexpats.com/forum/take...future-936234/

Going forwards this one would be better starting out with actualities.

Maybe.
Oh. Had not seen it.

Here's a started actuality for ten...

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...a-new-big-bang

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Old Jan 6th 2021, 7:05 am
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The ‘Post EU Referendum’ thread seems to be a little out of date now Brexit has arrived. Please post further comments about Brexit in here.
A better tile for this thread would be "The Miserable Whingers Thred"
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Old Jan 6th 2021, 8:23 am
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Multiple reports of Spanish (and other EU countries) banks now applying a charge for receiving payments into Spanish accounts from UK sources (0.35% but with a minimum payment of €18 which is quite hefty if transferring a smallish amount). Apparently it can be avoided by making the payment from a currency exchange company which uses an EU account to make the transfer. But definitely down to Brexit. This is the text of a response someone received from their Spanish bank after querying this charge:-

"Thank you for contacting us. As the UK is no longer part of the EEA countries, the charges that are being applied right now are the charges applied to normal transfers from outside the EEA. All the commissions are always notified before the transfer is confirmed, they show up on the screen when our system requires you to check the information again before confirming the operation. The commission to send them is of the 0,70% with a minimum of 22 euros plus 11,35 euros for the swift. The commission to receive them is of the 0,35% with a minimum of 18 euros."

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Old Jan 6th 2021, 9:34 am
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A better tile for this thread would be "The Miserable Whingers Thred"
No-one was whinging till you turned, Fred.... Maybe you're the problem.
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