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Old Jan 1st 2021, 10:57 am
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
And the WHINGING goes on

What a pathetic example of the human race some of you are.
I think that this kind of post is the most pathetic. You won yet still you have to insult those you have lost. If you want a strong united country let them grief and show some respect.
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
And the WHINGING goes on

What a pathetic example of the human race some of you are.
Have you considered living offshore?

Oh, wait...
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Old Jan 1st 2021, 11:46 am
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Originally Posted by bowler View Post
The UK was always going to have to experience Brexit to get a true picture. Now lets see perhaps over the next 4 years or so how well the Brexit dream holds up.
Hopefully things will go well, but lets just see.
The same people who got rich before will continue to do so.

The rest of us will continue to get crumbs and a lot of hot air telling us how well "the country" is doing. The Tories have been written a ticket for at least another four years of running the country for their mates, and quite possibly longer unless better opposition emerges.

It's our internal government that needed and still needs changing. Fundamentally.
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Old Jan 1st 2021, 12:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Assanah View Post
I think that this kind of post is the most pathetic. You THINK YOU won yet still you have to insult those you have lost. If you want a strong united country let them grief and show some respect.
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Old Jan 1st 2021, 12:59 pm
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Pne of the biggest problems is the winning, there are leavers all over the UK who still will not believe they won because the Brexit agreed is not THEIR Brexit, it either goes to far, or not far enough, and that, I'm afraid, is down to Cameron and to the wording of the referendum, it was so woolly and insubstantial in the information given that, had a clearer explanation of the pros and cons been given by the government the vote would, probably, have been different.
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Old Jan 1st 2021, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by mikelincs View Post
Seeing that the thread in the France forum has gone, I thought I'd start one in here, so all comments pro and con please, and as it is in the general section, it will inevitably get somewhat heated and go off topic a bit, but that's normal.
My own, personal, thoughts is that the changes will make things so much worse for the UK.
Short-term, I think things will get worse until people understand the practicalities of the changes and learn to adapt. That will apply to both businesses and travellers.

Longer-term, there's going to be a number of changes in what is shipped across the Channel in both directions, and not just by ferry. The increased paperwork and time to process is going to lead to more delays.

Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH View Post
Fear of an unknown future is always an interesting subject. In reality, the UK is a large, prosperous, highly literate and highly democratic country. Whatever problems it may experience in the next few years will be addressed and life will go on, for that is the nature of highly educated and stable democracies.
The vote to leave the EU was conducted on the Leave side by claiming that the EU was about to admit 70 million Turks, about to become some Federal superstate, and that x or y was going to happen, with no actual evidence to support these claims but plenty of evidence that these claims were untrue. Yet Remainers were accused of 'Project Fear'! It was Leavers that seemed to fear change in that respect, despite the evidence.

The UK is mostly a literate country (99% literacy), prosperous (and declining since the Brexit vote), and highly democratic (except compared to say Belgium, where regional governments also have a say in Belgian politics, including decisions at EU-level.

It was to the EU's regret that we were perhaps too democratic. The one nation in the EU that genuinely did respect a democratic mandate. The British democracy is too old and too ingrained to be overcome, although I will never quite forget how hard the establishment tried to negate and delegitimise the referendum. Had they succeeded, it would have been far more damaging in the long run than anything we will experience in the next few years.
'Too democratic'? I disagree. Compared to say Belgium, for the reason I outlined above, the UK are 2nd rate. What England decides, the UK does in most respects outside of the devolved responsibilities.

And the establishment bought the referendum, people like BoJo, Rees-Mogg and others in the ERG who saw a way of consolidating their grip on Westminster. And Farage, who as Britain's representative on the EU fisheries committee representing the UK fishing industry, attending 1 meeting out of 42.

Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
And the WHINGING goes on
You don't have to whinge though, Fred. You won, get over it.

What a pathetic example of the human race some of you are.
Thank you, Fred... You say such nice things. Sorry I can't say the same in return.

Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
How ironic when elsewhere on this site you wish to deny independence for Gibraltar That already has it's own variety of the UK passport
Aww diddums, Fred. I'm not sure anyone can deny or grant Gib independence other than the UK government via Parliament.
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Old Jan 1st 2021, 3:59 pm
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Originally Posted by mikelincs View Post
Pne of the biggest problems is the winning, there are leavers all over the UK who still will not believe they won because the Brexit agreed is not THEIR Brexit, it either goes to far, or not far enough, and that, I'm afraid, is down to Cameron and to the wording of the referendum,
Cameron didn't word the referendum, the Electoral Commission did.

it was so woolly and insubstantial in the information given that, had a clearer explanation of the pros and cons been given by the government the vote would, probably, have been different.
The information given in the government leaflet was factual, which is why Leave campaigners repeatedly called it propaganda. The leaflet was intended to be a starting point for voters to look up further information. Vote Leave and the associated campaigns distorted the facts, aided by Cameron deciding against the clear instruction by Parliament saying otherwise, that the referendum result would be respected. Parliament's clear instruction was that the referendum was advisory to Parliament, and would be used to inform Parliamentary debate. At that point, no matter which side had won, both sides could have submitted further discussions to Parliament for debate via their MPs, and Parliament would have weighed up the pros and cons of both sides and made their own decision. That's democracy.
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Old Jan 2nd 2021, 7:14 am
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I'm not sure anyone can deny or grant Gib independence other than the UK government via Parliament.
Wouldn't they have to ask Spain's permission first?
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Wouldn't they have to ask Spain's permission first?
I believe that is correct.
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
The same people who got rich before will continue to do so.

The rest of us will continue to get crumbs and a lot of hot air telling us how well "the country" is doing. The Tories have been written a ticket for at least another four years of running the country for their mates, and quite possibly longer unless better opposition emerges.

It's our internal government that needed and still needs changing. Fundamentally.
Spoken like a true socialist. Lets give it all away!
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
Wouldn't they have to ask Spain's permission first?
Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
I believe that is correct.
Good point.... Thanks.

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Spoken like a true socialist. Lets give it all away!
That's what she was saying, the Tories keep giving money away.... So if i you correctly, that makes the Tories socialist as well...
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Old Jan 2nd 2021, 10:03 am
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Spoken like a true socialist. Lets give it all away!
Thank you.
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Originally Posted by dave_j View Post
As I've mentioned before, there's been a lot of 'It'll be a disaster' whinging on here.
But for those with ambition, they won't have time to moan, they've already be beavering away for some time to understand what's happened and where opportunities have appeared, because there'll always be those who're too lazy, too feckless, too busy and too time constrained to get it right themselves.
Change always provides openings for the opportunist, the bright, the would be consultant and the energetic.
You won't find these saying 'it'll be a disaster'.


Excellent post, one of the best I've seen here for a long time. It sums up the situation perfectly. This describes exactly how the situation has been in the UK since 1973.
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Excellent post, one of the best I've seen here for a long time. It sums up the situation perfectly. This describes exactly how the situation has been in the UK since 1973.
You're good. Very, very good.
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Old Jan 2nd 2021, 12:32 pm
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Originally Posted by dave_j View Post
As I've mentioned before, there's been a lot of 'It'll be a disaster' whinging on here.
But for those with ambition, they won't have time to moan, they've already be beavering away for some time to understand what's happened and where opportunities have appeared, because there'll always be those who're too lazy, too feckless, too busy and too time constrained to get it right themselves.
Change always provides openings for the opportunist, the bright, the would be consultant and the energetic.
You won't find these saying 'it'll be a disaster'.
There will in most situations in life be some who find opportunity. There are also situations such as Depression, or in the North East when the pits closed, where simply the majority no matter energetic they are do not have much opportunity.

I have had the opinion that many Breixters in pursuit of ideological or emotional goals had disdain for their fellow citizens, or ignorance of basic economics.As I read the post it come across as indicating a lack of emplathy and disdain for rhe average citizen. .

As rhe thread is about Brexit changes certainly appropriate to discuss specific changes0 and if ANY positive change concretely occurs from Breiters I am sure Brexiters and Remainers alike would like to know about.
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