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Old Jan 6th 2021, 6:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard View Post
Has this thread been merged with another (recently)?

Bucksboy...I've forgotten, what Brexit camp are you in ?
Yes. Mike and I opened similar threads.
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Old Jan 6th 2021, 7:03 pm
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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy View Post
Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear in my post

Ok, fine, I see the numbers, I can do the maths, but it was the presentation of it that I was kicking at.

As in "On Monday, the first trading day of 2021", "the volume of stock that would have gone through the City at the end of last year".

First trading day in 2021 vs a conditional "would have gone through the City at the end of last year".

Backed with a reference to Amsterdam, leaving Frankfurt, Paris, Zurich, Madrid et al out of it.

Not exactly tight reporting in my mind.

Typically the markets will shift somewhat after any Bank holiday trading lull, it's too soon to see if there's the start of a trend on this one.

I'm wary of this style of reporting.
Fair points.
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Old Jan 6th 2021, 7:26 pm
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
Is that how you describe the mother of that 9 year old boy?
Another of your stupid posts.

I believe the person you are referring to has a name, Hannah Deacon, which identifies her and therefore not the mothers of many other 9 year old boys.

Something you should learn when posting about specific people.
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Old Jan 6th 2021, 9:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
Another of your stupid posts.

I believe the person you are referring to has a name, Hannah Deacon, which identifies her and therefore not the mothers of many other 9 year old boys.

Something you should learn when posting about specific people.
I understood that it was the mother of the specific 9yr old boy in the article, and not the mother of any other 9yr old.

Did you not get your afternoon nap today?
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Old Jan 6th 2021, 9:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
Another of your stupid posts.

I believe the person you are referring to has a name, Hannah Deacon, which identifies her and therefore not the mothers of many other 9 year old boys.

Something you should learn when posting about specific people.
Not sure I follow your point here.
My point was your use of "miserable whinger" to describe people seeing the negative aspects of Brexit. It seemed reasonable to ask if it applied to that mother's reaction about a specific negative. Her name's not relevant is it?
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Old Jan 7th 2021, 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
Not sure I follow your point here.
My point was your use of "miserable whinger" to describe people seeing the negative aspects of Brexit.
The news from the USA during the night showed with the exception of the level of violence the similarities in Trump voters and Remain voters in their disrespect of democracy.
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Old Jan 7th 2021, 8:22 am
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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy View Post
Yes, it's what mice do when one isn't watching.

Tricky question that.

I'd been out of the UK far too long to have had a vote in 2016. My bad for not registering. But it wouldn't really have mattered anyway.

If I had have had a vote, it would have been for the UK to remain within the EU.

I actually learnt the result of the referendum via an SMS from a family member in Belgium which read "Stupid, stupid people. Not you, btw ".

I was well miffed; but as I watched these last few years of total Tory bollocks unfold, I began to think that maybe the UK doesn't actually deserve to be a member of the EU...

So I resigned myself to the fact that UK would quit, but then the ERG push for no deal aspect really got my hackles up.

I fully accept that Brexit "got done" by foul means or even fouler means, but I am extremely glad that the UK did not crash out on ERG's no-deal whim.

My recent change in Avatar shows where I stand now.

Looking forwards, I wish Scotland success in the push for independence from Westminster, and subsequent projects, in which case I'll happily swap my UK passport for a Scottish one, to which I believe that I may be entitled to.

Now I shall go and drink beer.

Edit: but before that...

Enjoy.
I see. Thanks. Likewise on the Scottish passport in due course.
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Old Jan 7th 2021, 8:33 am
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The news from the USA during the night showed with the exception of the level of violence the similarities in Trump voters and Remain voters in their disrespect of democracy.
What a nonsensical comment. The whole point of last night was the violence and mob mentality; Remain voters were not that way at all. The disrepect for democracy is also quite different: in the US the belief (by the Trump diehards) was that the election was rigged and therefore invalid. By contrast, many Remain voters fully respected the referendum outcome, and those that didn't objected not on grounds of fraudlent counting, but on grounds of misrepresentation. £350 million/week, fish, cake and other such patently false promises.
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What a nonsensical comment. The whole point of last night was the violence and mob mentality; Remain voters were not that way at all. The disrepect for democracy is also quite different: in the US the belief (by the Trump diehards) was that the election was rigged and therefore invalid. By contrast, many Remain voters fully respected the referendum outcome, and those that didn't objected not on grounds of fraudlent counting, but on grounds of misrepresentation. £350 million/week, fish, cake and other such patently false promises.
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Old Jan 7th 2021, 8:44 am
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What a nonsensical comment. The whole point of last night was the violence and mob mentality; Remain voters were not that way at all. The disrepect for democracy is also quite different: in the US the belief (by the Trump diehards) was that the election was rigged and therefore invalid. By contrast, many Remain voters fully respected the referendum outcome, and those that didn't objected not on grounds of fraudlent counting, but on grounds of misrepresentation. £350 million/week, fish, cake and other such patently false promises.
Like most people still carping on about misrepresentation, false promises and other nonsense you have it wrong. The vote to leave won because people, the majority who voted, voted to give their country independence. It wasn't to obtain fishing rights or any false promises. That these things were subsequently discussed and outrageous things said, from both camps has little bearing on why the majority voted to leave. It is disingenuous to say £350 million, fish etc was why people voted to leave. There were many things said but the bottom line was to gain independence. That was why vote leave won. Not the crap I keep reading from disaffected people with a grudge!
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Old Jan 7th 2021, 9:13 am
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That was why vote leave won.
Vote Leave was a campaign group.

If you say they won, you're saying their campaign won. The campaign involved large amounts of money being spent on campaign materials and publicity stunts but you don't want to acknowledge that those had any effect in persuading people? Is that right? The money was all totally wasted, they could all have sat at home and remained silent and the result would have been the same? Same with their sister campaign, Leave.eu and all the other subsidiaries?
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Old Jan 7th 2021, 9:40 am
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Vote Leave was a campaign group.

If you say they won, you're saying their campaign won. The campaign involved large amounts of money being spent on campaign materials and publicity stunts but you don't want to acknowledge that those had any effect in persuading people? Is that right? The money was all totally wasted, they could all have sat at home and remained silent and the result would have been the same? Same with their sister campaign, Leave.eu and all the other subsidiaries?
You could say the same about the Government pro-Remain leaflet delivered to every home---before campaigning legally started ---- and the Government ----'lost' --- so the taxpayers payers money was wasted!
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Old Jan 7th 2021, 9:42 am
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Vote Leave was a campaign group.

If you say they won, you're saying their campaign won. The campaign involved large amounts of money being spent on campaign materials and publicity stunts but you don't want to acknowledge that those had any effect in persuading people? Is that right? The money was all totally wasted, they could all have sat at home and remained silent and the result would have been the same? Same with their sister campaign, Leave.eu and all the other subsidiaries?
Thank you for telling me what I said, or at least what you think I said which is somewhat different! You really. should get rid of that chip it must be very uncomfortable. I presume all remain voters did stay at home then because they lost, is that right? You lost, get over it we are out of the E.U. Just how long are you going to keep carping on about it?
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Old Jan 7th 2021, 10:12 am
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The news from the USA during the night showed with the exception of the level of violence the similarities in Trump voters and Remain voters in their disrespect of democracy.
The difference between Remain supporters in the UK on the one hand and Trump and his supporters in the political system and on the street on the other, lies in respect for the rule of law.

Remain supporters took legal and political measures to prevent Brexit, or at least its implementation by a government acting beyond its powers. As I recall, those measures were all consistent with the rule of law. The same is true for many of the measures that Trump took to remain in power, notwithstanding the fact that they were baseless. That lies at the heart of the rule of law, the right to make assertions that may be false and have them tested according to valid procedures. Trump's filing of over fifty lawsuits in his increasingly desperate attempts to overturn a legitimate election result were all part of the rule of law. So was their rejection.

Now that the law has failed him, however, Trump has increasingly been resorting to measures beyond its limits. His phone call to Raffensperger borders on satire of the rule of law. Ditto his pressure on Pence to act outside the latter's authority. His instigation of the violent occupation of the Capitol puts him in the area of sedition and insurrection. But even that accusation, which I have just made, is subject to the rule of law. Unless and until Trump is called to account by the legal procedures in place, he is assumed legally to be acting within the rule of law.

The attacks on the pro-remain faction from some quarters of the pro-brexit faction are precisely the opposite. The oft-cited "will of the people" is just a euphemism for the "will of the mob". Last night, we witnessed the "will of the mob", goaded on by the chief mobster, on our TV screens. In the UK, it was more subtle, with the anti-rule-of-law press describing judges - those tasked with ensuring that the law is followed - as "enemies of the people".
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