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Old Dec 22nd 2021, 11:06 pm
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Not just Chicago but if it was going to happen to anybody this sort of seems fair.

​​​​​​Democratic congresswoman carjacked at gunpoint in Philadelphia https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/22/polit...ked/index.html
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Old Dec 22nd 2021, 11:14 pm
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Not just Chicago but if it was going to happen to anybody this sort of seems fair.

​​​​​​Democratic congresswoman carjacked at gunpoint in Philadelphia https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/22/polit...ked/index.html
It's fair to carjack a politician ??
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Old Dec 22nd 2021, 11:24 pm
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It's fair to carjack a politician ??
My point was that is someone was to be car jacked then this seems somehow fair.

Prefer nobody to be car jacked.
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Old Dec 23rd 2021, 12:26 am
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My point was that is someone was to be car jacked then this seems somehow fair.

Prefer nobody to be car jacked.
I don't think it's somehow fair. If the victim herself was a car jacker or thief of sorts, that might be a kind of "karma" but otherwise there's no reason to rationalize this crime.
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I don't think it's somehow fair. If the victim herself was a car jacker or thief of sorts, that might be a kind of "karma" but otherwise there's no reason to rationalize this crime.
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Old Dec 23rd 2021, 1:34 am
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So carjacking politicians is okay - and police reform to reduce police brutality and racial profiling is not okay.

Wow!
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It's fair to carjack a politician ??
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My point was that is someone was to be car jacked then this seems somehow fair.
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someone was car jacked - so in your view, it's fair.
Why do you think it's fair?
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"Daunte Wright death: US 'Taser mixup' ex-officer guilty of manslaughter"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59776917

The officer in the similar 2009 BART shooting taser mixup got two years.
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Setting aside the ever-ascending murder rate in Chicago, the feeling of lawlessness in the city has been palpable in recent months. Smash-and-grab, armed robbery, general violence have all increased dramatically. It was clear something was wrong last August when several hundred people descended on Michigan Avenue and smashed up hundreds of stores and stole carloads of stuff. Watch videos of that incident, it's insane. People had rented box trucks to load up with stuff. Store employees were beaten, stores were smashed up with incredible violence, the police were completely overwhelmed and powerless. This is the premier tourist destination in the city and one of the most famous shopping districts in the world. I've personally never seen mass chaos, violence and thievery on that scale.

At the time, Lightfoot and the police chief talked tough but in subsequent months absolutely nothing happened. A few token arrests were made but it was obvious the police were expending little effort to do anything. Allowing this kind of lawlessness and mayhem just increases the lawlessness and mayhem. We can't have this. It's really sad to see the city falling apart like this.
We've had very similar issues in California; I'm pretty sure it made national headlines. Major shopping areas of SF were targeted by organized gangs, and it even spread out to the boring suburbs. I don't know if these incidents were more or less severe than the Chicago incidents, but I agree it's a complete mess. People made a big move to online shopping due to the pandemic, and this is one more nail in the coffin of retail shopping. This article gives some info - https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/11/...crime-problem/ ... "... brazen groups of thieves — some tallying as many as 90, riding in caravans with dozens of vehicles, wielding hammers and sometimes guns — have ransacked high-end stores across the Bay Area before racing off with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in merchandise.". There's some debate over whether a recent change that classified theft of less than $950 as a misdemeanor is a factor.
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We've had very similar issues in California; I'm pretty sure it made national headlines. Major shopping areas of SF were targeted by organized gangs, and it even spread out to the boring suburbs. I don't know if these incidents were more or less severe than the Chicago incidents, but I agree it's a complete mess. People made a big move to online shopping due to the pandemic, and this is one more nail in the coffin of retail shopping. This article gives some info - https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/11/...crime-problem/ ... "... brazen groups of thieves — some tallying as many as 90, riding in caravans with dozens of vehicles, wielding hammers and sometimes guns — have ransacked high-end stores across the Bay Area before racing off with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in merchandise.". There's some debate over whether a recent change that classified theft of less than $950 as a misdemeanor is a factor.
Is this related to BLM, defunding the police, COVID or something else do you think?
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Old Dec 26th 2021, 6:58 am
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Is this related to BLM, defunding the police, COVID or something else do you think?
In many ways it's similar to crimes committed by those upright citizens wearing snazzy dress and drowning in champagne in the city who indulge in the non existent fantasy that somehow so rarely finds itself before the courts, namely exploiting opportunity or better known as corrupt insider trading.

What these groups are doing is likewise understanding the limitations and wilfulness of those whose task it is to stop these abuses and realising that there's no real advantage to be gained by doing so.

Trump will understand why they do what they do.. it's because they can.
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In many ways it's similar to crimes committed by those upright citizens wearing snazzy dress and drowning in champagne in the city who indulge in the non existent fantasy that somehow so rarely finds itself before the courts, namely exploiting opportunity or better known as corrupt insider trading.

What these groups are doing is likewise understanding the limitations and wilfulness of those whose task it is to stop these abuses and realising that there's no real advantage to be gained by doing so.

Trump will understand why they do what they do.. it's because they can.
So a bit off topic for this thread then.
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So a bit off topic for this thread then.
Not sure why you're trying to shut down this discussion, I think this is 100% relevant. At the heart of the debate around BLM is the role of law enforcement. The linkage between crime levels and law enforcement role is central to this discussion. To me, there is a clear linkage between rising levels of crime in the US and the ongoing debate about the role of law enforcement.
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Not sure why you're trying to shut down this discussion, I think this is 100% relevant. At the heart of the debate around BLM is the role of law enforcement. The linkage between crime levels and law enforcement role is central to this discussion. To me, there is a clear linkage between rising levels of crime in the US and the ongoing debate about the role of law enforcement.
Excellent point. The whole 'defund the police' issue is closely related to the BLM movement, and 'defund the police' is directly tied to police staffing levels. Every city I'm aware of that is experiencing these crime surges is clamoring for more police presence. One might cynically call it 'unintended consequences'.
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