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This one goes way beyond the pro-choice vs pro-life argument into an area we really shouldn't even be considering or debating at all.

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There is a link in the article, to the online Journal of Medical Ethics, which precises the paper. So, it would seem it is factually correct. I wonder if the two authors are prepared for the backlash.

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Probably not. If they're so detached from reality that they could even consider presenting the 'argument', I doubt they'd even consider that anyone could find it in the least bit distasteful :blink:

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I really wish the url had been from another source, so I see Leslie's problem with it, though I do believe it is factually correct. I had never actually heard of "The Blaze" before - having now read some of the comments on this article, made by its subscribers, all I can say is :scaredhair:.

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They are rather ... interesting, aren't they?

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I don't see why there's all the fuss. The problem with Beck is he jumps from an academic paper by ethicists discussing a very difficult issue.....to it all becoming the law enforced by federal officers in long black coats next week. Obviously that isn't going to happen!

A Beck viewer contemplating ethics must be like an ant trying to understand an episode of Dallas.

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Good grief. I was merely commenting on the fact that such a paper could be written, let alone published in a major medical journal.

I don't see it as being a "difficult issue", I see it as a heinous one.

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How does this square with you wanting to put a bullet in chavs?

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If we're going to allow abortion, I don't see that we shouldn't investigate the consequences from an ethical point of view.

I find myself quite conflicted with my own anti/pro abortion issues and can argue it either way.

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Because it's basically making a "news story" out of a tangential debate between two or more parties. Just because these people are talking about it doesn't mean that it will ever be applied to real life. People can intellectualize about whatever remote existential theories they like ... that doesn't make them real or even remotely probable.

Rags like this get a hold of this stuff and put it forward as something that somebody is actually trying to force onto you/us/we/them and everybody goes bonkers.

My outrage is reserved for things that are actually happening every day, like forced female circumcision in Africa and children being shot down in the streets of Syria, not some egghead's theory about something so far removed from reality that it shouldn't even matter except maybe to those who like to think and talk and write about such things.

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I think you need to take a step back and see whether you can tell the difference between dark humour and dead serious consideration of the murder of a child.

You do realise that what they consider "abortion" is the killing of a full-term, baby and not a foetus, do you?

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I only glanced at the article, but my assumption is that the authors are anti-abortion, and that it is a piece of rhetoric to extend pro-abortion arguments to babies and thus try to make an anti-abortion point. And that is why Beck like it.

"(The National Catholic) Register states that the argument made by the ethicists is almost pro-life in that it “highlights the absurdity of the pro-abortion argument”"

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Yes. I assume they're not trying it out in a lab though but rather doing a thought experiment.

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Yes. That was my impression also. Infanticide. The sky is falling.

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Well, unlike you, my outrage is not rationed. I wish I could be flippant about it, but many questionable and (IMO) immoral procedures began life as a paper in a scientific journal.