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Old Aug 19th 2021, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by Scamp View Post
I can't wait to see where the 20,000 go in the UK, hopefully there are lots of people ready to welcome them into communities.
If they can handle millions of people (£43 millions in fund) from Hong Kong, I don't see a problem to take 20.000 refugees over the next 4 (or 5 or never) years.
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Old Aug 19th 2021, 11:14 am
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20,000 is a drop in the bucket
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Old Aug 19th 2021, 12:23 pm
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It will be interesting to see which countries take in the Afghans and how many. Now how they end up being housed is anyones guess seeing as a lot of countries have their own problems with homeless people or unaffordable rental markets.
Booking a hotel room could become problematic in certain areas.
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Old Aug 19th 2021, 1:24 pm
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Don't forget it was the US that funded and armed the Taliban on the basis that they were fighting the USSR troops who were invited in by the Afghan government in 1989. It was on the basis of 'my enemies enemy is my friend'. You reap what you sow, unfortunately the US and UK have turned their backs.
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They used to have a nearly unlimited supply of fighters from Northern Pakistan, but now there's apparently some discord among the Pashtun there who are tired of war. Able to flow freely across the border because they're the same ethnicity, and living in tribal areas where the Pakistani army fears to tread, that's where they've gone to resupply, rest, and heal since this started.
Years ago driving through the tribal are I saw a house on the hill with 19th century cannons. Asked around who lived there nobody knew, one of village elders told me years ago someone had tried to find out and was promptly fired upon. Don't know if true but wouldn't surprise me. Saw boys carrying Enfield rifles ( or copies) taller then they because of problems with nearby village- or to take shots at any government vehicles that strayed from the road going through.

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Johnson and Raab going off on holiday then does beggar belief.
One set of rules for them, one for the rest of us. Johnson and his merry band of Brexiters hardly instill confidence in this or other instances. Sad thing is probably in US or UK no one will lose their post because of this debacle. Indeed the brueacrats will claim to be yet more experienced in foreign affairs.
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Years ago driving through the tribal are I saw a house on the hill with 19th century cannons. Asked around who lived there nobody knew, one of village elders told me years ago someone had tried to find out and was promptly fired upon. Don't know if true but wouldn't surprise me. Saw boys carrying Enfield rifles ( or copies) taller then they because of problems with nearby village- or to take shots at any government vehicles that strayed from the road going through.
The government used to pay feuding neighbour warlords not to kill each other, under the guise of paying them to keep the road open. They erected towers with good fields of fire but didn't shoot anyone on the road. When a young Gordon Sinclair was reporting for the Toronto Star he took a trip worth documenting. As he prepared to relieve himself just off the road, one of his guides pulled him back, explaining that if he walked off the road he was dead. Sinclair and Hemmingway cut their teeth as cub reporters for the Star.
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Years ago driving through the tribal are I saw a house on the hill with 19th century cannons. Asked around who lived there nobody knew, one of village elders told me years ago someone had tried to find out and was promptly fired upon. Don't know if true but wouldn't surprise me. Saw boys carrying Enfield rifles ( or copies) taller then they because of problems with nearby village- or to take shots at any government vehicles that strayed from the road going through.
I took a trip to the Tribal area too many years ago. Sometime in the early 90s. Went to the town of Darra. The shops seemed to be divided in thirds. One third selling drugs, another third selling guns, the other third being regular shops for food and clothing. Got invited to a gun "factory" a few miles away. AK 47s seemed to be the gun of choice. Amazing what they could manufacture with basic equipment, hand tools.

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Biden's presidency is under scrutiny as never before over Afghan chaos

​​​​​​https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/19/polit...iny/index.html

​​​​​​Tom Tugendhat, a member who served with the British Army in Afghanistan, lambasted the US President's comments.
"To see their commander in chief call into question the courage of men I fought with, to claim they ran. It's shameful," Tugendhat said. "Those who have never fought for the colors they fly should be careful about criticizing those who have."

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Biden's presidency is under scrutiny as never before over Afghan chaos

​​​​​​https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/19/polit...iny/index.html

​​​​​​Tom Tugendhat, a member who served with the British Army in Afghanistan, lambasted the US President's comments.
"To see their commander in chief call into question the courage of men I fought with, to claim they ran. It's shameful," Tugendhat said. "Those who have never fought for the colors they fly should be careful about criticizing those who have."
Is Tugendhat claiming that the Commander in Chief of the Afghan army was the US President? That would put the whole question of US involvement in Afghanistan in the imperial side rather than the one usually presented of assistance.
Surprised that anyone in the British army thinks of the loss of 27 cities in 9 days as anything other than failure.It does seem true that they never ran, but walked. I think I understand the point he is trying to make. "Lions led by donkeys" or similar, but he hasn't worded it well at all.


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Old Aug 19th 2021, 4:22 pm
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Part of a speech he made on Parliament yesterday which was applauded by all sides.

He served there and was referring to the people he served with.
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Old Aug 19th 2021, 5:40 pm
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What's Tugendhat's explanation for the US and it's NATO partners, including the UK, spending $87bn trying to build an Afghan military only for it to fold its cards in weeks?
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Old Aug 19th 2021, 5:43 pm
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What's Tugendhat's explanation for the US and it's NATO partners, including the UK, spending $87bn trying to build an Afghan military only for it to fold its cards in weeks?
i do not know you would have to ask him

You can buy weapons you can not buy leadership
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Johnson and Raab going off on holiday then does beggar belief.
It's disgusting! It truly is..............
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i do not know you would have to ask him

You can buy weapons you can not buy leadership
Would have thought a speech "which was applauded by all sides" would have covered that. But apparently not.
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