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scrubbedexpat091 Aug 15th 2021 8:55 pm

Afghanistan
 
No surprise, but Afghanistan government has fallen, Taliban have taken control over the presidential palace in Kabul, and the Afghanistan president has left the country.

US Military has been evacuating out diplomatic staff, several days ago it was reported the Embassy staff was directed to begin destroying as much as possible, including US flags.

UAE is also assisting in the evacuation of staff for France, the United Kingdom, the European Union, Canada, Australia, the Office of the United Nations Food Program, the United States, Germany, and Egypt.

Taliban spokesperson saying they will allow flights to operate as normal at the airport and that there is no danger to embassies, diplomatic missions, institutions and residences of foreign nationals.


https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...-21/index.html

Taliban calling the handover as peaceful without bloodshed.

Derrygal Aug 15th 2021 9:29 pm

Re: Afghanistan
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13040858)
No surprise, but Afghanistan government has fallen, Taliban have taken control over the presidential palace in Kabul, and the Afghanistan president has left the country.

US Military has been evacuating out diplomatic staff, several days ago it was reported the Embassy staff was directed to begin destroying as much as possible, including US flags.

UAE is also assisting in the evacuation of staff for France, the United Kingdom, the European Union, Canada, Australia, the Office of the United Nations Food Program, the United States, Germany, and Egypt.

Taliban spokesperson saying they will allow flights to operate as normal at the airport and that there is no danger to embassies, diplomatic missions, institutions and residences of foreign nationals.


https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...-21/index.html

Taliban calling the handover as peaceful without bloodshed.

It's a mess - no doubt about that. I had mixed feelings about the pull-out of troops. I think how quickly the Taliban have taken over has surprised or rather shocked everyone.. Unbelievable really. It makes you wonder what the last 20 years were all about. I feel for the women and girls in that country and how they will be treated. Heard on one of the political talk shows this morning that women and girls are given lashes on the back just for wearing sandals. It's sad. It really is.

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 15th 2021 9:41 pm

Re: Afghanistan
 

Originally Posted by Derrygal (Post 13040868)
It's a mess - no doubt about that. I had mixed feelings about the pull-out of troops. I think how quickly the Taliban have taken over has surprised or rather shocked everyone.. Unbelievable really. It makes you wonder what the last 20 years were all about. I feel for the women and girls in that country and how they will be treated. Heard on one of the political talk shows this morning that women and girls are given lashes on the back just for wearing sandals. It's sad. It really is.

Seems to have taken the US by surprise in regards to the takeover of Kabul, granted they were prepping to leave the embassy in the next few days, but it went from several days to do it, to we have to go right now pretty quickly, it was only what Thursday or Friday it was reported that the embassy would begin to destroy documents, electronics and other things they don't want the Taliban to have, wonder how much they managed to destroy before being evacuated out.

I will take a wild guess and say the foreign embassies will probably be high on the list of places the Taliban will want to get into.


Lion in Winter Aug 15th 2021 10:27 pm

Re: Afghanistan
 

Originally Posted by Derrygal (Post 13040868)
It's a mess - no doubt about that. I had mixed feelings about the pull-out of troops. I think how quickly the Taliban have taken over has surprised or rather shocked everyone.. Unbelievable really. It makes you wonder what the last 20 years were all about. I feel for the women and girls in that country and how they will be treated. Heard on one of the political talk shows this morning that women and girls are given lashes on the back just for wearing sandals. It's sad. It really is.


Presumably it was a done deal. For the Afghan government and all military resistance to fold so completely and so quickly, it doesn't seem as though there was any real intention to fight the Taliban. I would imagine a deal was also struck with China, back when the Taliban visited a short while ago.

The US invaded, with UK help, for its own geopolitical and economic aims. There was zero actual building of the country, it seems, allowing the Taliban to be seen as liberators of an invading force. After 20 years, there was nothing built for non-Taliban to fight for, and no governmental or military structure of any strength. Apparently. Pax Romana would have been a better model than this.

Now there's no chance of a modernizing force for god knows how long.

johnwoo Aug 15th 2021 10:52 pm

Re: Afghanistan
 
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryU...om-Kabul-1842/

Fearful of increased Russian interest in the area, the British decided to invade Afghanistan and marched unchallenged into Kabul in early 1839 with a force of approximately 16,000 to 20,000 British and Indian troops collectively known as Indus. Yet a mere three years later there was only one known British survivor who staggered into Jalalabad in January 1842, after fleeing the carnage that befell his comrades in Gandamak.

"When will they ever learn"

Former Lancastrian Aug 15th 2021 10:57 pm

Re: Afghanistan
 
It's a shithole plain and simple. Yes we can feel sorry for the citizens but don't we also feel sorry for the citizens of North Korea, Myanmar, Somalia and a few others. If you are the USA, UK, Canada then stay the **** out as you are in a no win situation.

robin1234 Aug 15th 2021 11:04 pm

Re: Afghanistan
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13040872)
Seems to have taken the US by surprise in regards to the takeover of Kabul, granted they were prepping to leave the embassy in the next few days, but it went from several days to do it, to we have to go right now pretty quickly, it was only what Thursday or Friday it was reported that the embassy would begin to destroy documents, electronics and other things they don't want the Taliban to have, wonder how much they managed to destroy before being evacuated out.

I will take a wild guess and say the foreign embassies will probably be high on the list of places the Taliban will want to get into.

I wonder about the embassies. If the US stayed in the Embassy, in light of the fact that the Taliban claim they want an orderly transfer of power, why wouldn’t the Taliban respect the US Embassy? After all the US and Taliban have been negotiating for a couple of years.

Lion in Winter Aug 15th 2021 11:07 pm

Re: Afghanistan
 

Originally Posted by johnwoo (Post 13040896)
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryU...om-Kabul-1842/

Fearful of increased Russian interest in the area, the British decided to invade Afghanistan and marched unchallenged into Kabul in early 1839 with a force of approximately 16,000 to 20,000 British and Indian troops collectively known as Indus. Yet a mere three years later there was only one known British survivor who staggered into Jalalabad in January 1842, after fleeing the carnage that befell his comrades in Gandamak.

"When will they ever learn"

We don't learn.

And normal Afghans get hurt. Again.

robin1234 Aug 15th 2021 11:09 pm

Re: Afghanistan
 

Originally Posted by johnwoo (Post 13040896)
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryU...om-Kabul-1842/

Fearful of increased Russian interest in the area, the British decided to invade Afghanistan and marched unchallenged into Kabul in early 1839 with a force of approximately 16,000 to 20,000 British and Indian troops collectively known as Indus. Yet a mere three years later there was only one known British survivor who staggered into Jalalabad in January 1842, after fleeing the carnage that befell his comrades in Gandamak.

"When will they ever learn"

One known survivor. Probably quite a few others survived, wandered back to India in the ensuing months and years.

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 15th 2021 11:34 pm

Re: Afghanistan
 
US has flown out 500 embassy staffers so far, approx. 4,000 US citizens and Afghan nationals who work for the embassy still waiting to be flown out, the number does not include families of the Afghan nationals employed at the embassy, it is unclear what the US plan is there.

6,000 US troops earmarked for security duty in Kabulwill now be used to secure the airport, it has been reported that hundreds of Afghan nationals have fled to the airport to try and get out and growing unrest at the airport and threat of Taliban attacks, so the focus according to the defense department is to secure the airport to get people out.

US forces could stay for as long as is needed to keep the airport secured.

Note the 6,000 troops is double the original 3,000 the pentagon had planned to have in Kabul for general security.

General Frank McKenzie, commander of US CENTCOM met with Taliban leaders in Qatar to communicate the US sole mission is to keep the airport secure to get people out.

French military is evacuating French nationals and flying them to UAE.

Turkey says they will work with Pakistan to stabilize Afghanistan and prevent a new wave Afghan migrants

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...-21/index.html


I don't know the accuracy of this video, but it was rather interesting if its true.








caretaker Aug 15th 2021 11:43 pm

Re: Afghanistan
 
The new government in the palace:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...0211d02c7a.png

johnwoo Aug 16th 2021 12:21 am

Re: Afghanistan
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 13040914)


Similarities to Jan 6th, US capital?

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 16th 2021 12:29 am

Re: Afghanistan
 
The White House has curtailed the number of flights to the United States for Afghan Embassy workers to prioritize the evacuation of American personnel, apparently the airport has become to chaotic and is affecting aircraft being able to land, the last Afghan Special Immigrant Visa flight departed for Virginia, unknown when or if additional flights will be available.

According to CNN sources, they quote 4 unnamed US sources.





johnwoo Aug 16th 2021 12:59 am

Re: Afghanistan
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 13040905)
One known survivor. Probably quite a few others survived, wandered back to India in the ensuing months and years.

I believe more survivors did show up later,

robin1234 Aug 16th 2021 1:00 am

Re: Afghanistan
 

Originally Posted by johnwoo (Post 13040923)
Similarities to Jan 6th, US capital?

Except these folks at the table in the Palace in Kabul probably know their arse from their elbow, unlike the US Jan 6 rioters & traitors.


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