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Old Oct 27th 2019, 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 View Post
I read a report from the family of one of the girls in the container (no idea where so can't find the link) that the amount they paid for her to get to the UK was huge and they honestly believed she would be travelling by air - in a seat in the cabin - and was getting a legitimate visa.
Yes, that seems to be the situation, that they are assured easy passage for high fees, and then faced with the only option of lorry smuggling for the final crossing. I hadn't realised it was quite as big an industry in Vietnam as it appears to be.
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1 View Post
We definitely need to be sympathetic. Whether paying people smugglers or going it alone these people risk everything to get a better life. I witnessed first hand a guy falling off a train at Eurotunnel, massive head injuries and wheelchair bound for life. Not my favourite memory, and I can only surmise what he was running away from must've been pretty horrific.
That must have been hard to see. What role did you have at Eurotunnel?
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 View Post
I read a report from the family of one of the girls in the container (no idea where so can't find the link) that the amount they paid for her to get to the UK was huge and they honestly believed she would be travelling by air - in a seat in the cabin - and was getting a legitimate visa.
I read £30.000 how true it is who knows
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I read £30.000 how true it is who knows
There appears to be two rates which one report described at "premium" (£30K) and "economy" (£10K+) the difference being how much the journey you have to do on foot, and the standard of housing along the way. The premium method includes flights so it's a shorter journey. This is what I meant by saying it's a bit of an industry in the poor rural parts of Vietnam. And some of the people end up in a trafficked life rather than mere smuggling. Given that urban Vietnam is developing quickly you wonder why they don't pursue their aspiration in their own cities instead of undertaking risky and illegal emigration. It's a different situation from Afghanistan, Syria or Central America where people are fleeing violence and war.
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I was reading how polluted the air is in VN. Really is a health hazard. Imagine how working outside would be impossible.

Also, wages in the poorest provinces in VN being so low, I can't see how the families would be able to pay those loans back.

Historically, there were 'indentured servants' who were transported from the UK to North America and Austrailia then allowed to work off their debts. Once they had worked enough without wages, the debts were paid off and they were freed. Doubt if its legal anywhere in the world these days though.

Is there such a term as 'mass manslaughter' in law? I read that 2 years is the least penalty for manslaughter, so times 39, that is so many years those deemed guilty are not likely to be able to spend any of the money gained from this business!
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Voila! Yet some Brexiters think it'll be easy to check every vehicle coming to the UK under a no-deal Brexit. I get the math, you get the math, but some don't.
Lob that strawman up in the air and then knock it down!

We don't check every non-EU container coming into the UK today, no one is suggesting we check every EU one after we leave.
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I was reading how polluted the air is in VN. Really is a health hazard. Imagine how working outside would be impossible.

Also, wages in the poorest provinces in VN being so low, I can't see how the families would be able to pay those loans back.

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Poor air quality is a fact of life for many in developing countries. People do work outside if they don't have the luxury not to.

The loan only needs to be repaid if it's taken in the first place. My point was that they should shun this illegal emigration route to riches and focus on moving to the city or legal emigration.
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Looks like the remainiacs are trying to make hay with this tragedy.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-policing-unit

Migrant deaths: Britain faces exclusion from elite EU policing unit
Brexit warning over anti-trafficking body comes as lorry driver is charged with manslaughter
Are there no depths they won't sink to in the project-fear drive?
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Looks like the remainiacs are trying to make hay with this tragedy.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-policing-unit

Are there no depths they won't sink to in the project-fear drive?
Yes, it's not right or helpful to conflate the EU debate with this type of tragedy.
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The problem seems to be there are several groups trafficking these people, many want to come over to relatives here in the UK but can't get visas to allow them to say, so a Chinese passport and a 'legal' visa is included in the cost.
The amount these people are making is horrendous, people at Tilbury have said they regularly see people getting out of containers and running off.
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Old Oct 27th 2019, 12:24 pm
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The problem seems to be there are several groups trafficking these people, many want to come over to relatives here in the UK but can't get visas to allow them to say, so a Chinese passport and a 'legal' visa is included in the cost.
The amount these people are making is horrendous, people at Tilbury have said they regularly see people getting out of containers and running off.
It can't be that legal a visa if they're ending up in containers?

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It can't be that legal a visa if they're ending up in containers?
Possibly wouldn't pass detailed examination at immigration, but then also they would have Chinese passports and probably not understand Chinese, which also would be a bit of a give away. The visa might well be OK used to get employment, and to pass inspection if they were asked.
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Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
Rubbish.

For a start are the acceptance criteria the same for Schengen and UK visas? (remember the UK has a 'hostile environment' policy)

Secondly - depending upon what their reason was for wanting to come to the UK - perhaps it wouldn't suit them to put themselves on the radar by getting a visitor visa.

It is obvious that responsibility for the UK border lies with the UK.

And even if it doesn't now - it soon will.
I’m afraid you’re the only one talking rubbish. What has the hostile environment policy got to do with visitor visa criteria? And what ‘radar’ would they be putting themselves on? The UK border is the responsibility of the UK just as the Schengen border is the responsibility of the EU. If they have been granted Schengen visas but not UK visas then only one party is doing their job properly.
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The UK does not have ID cards or compulsory registration as in other EU states, so it is easier for migrants to slip into the "black economy". Neither of these would turn the UK into a "police state", but would go a long way to controlling illegal migration or making illegal working more difficult.
The UK has far more stringent ‘Right to Work’ checks through the hostile environment policy than other EU countries. If employers want to employ illegal immigrants than all the ID cards in the world aren’t going to make a difference.
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Only 1% of Containers are checked, all need to be checked.
Simply not possible without turning NW Europe in a giant lorry park.
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