Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10863901)

I would say much different in Spain.
Ireland has picked up and the movement to and from the UK is fairly normal in this day and age with skilled workers moving in as well as out.
With regard to Spain the virtual one way movement out of skilled workers continues to increase to the UK, Germany elsewhere in N.Europe and Worldwide.
Little wonder that the language schools, many of which didn't even exist a few years back are doing a roaring trade.
The Spanish have paid scant attention to such things for as long as I can recall until all of a sudden these last few years they realize how desperate the situation has become and how important it is for themselves and their families to make really serious efforts in this direction in the hope of guaranteeing themselves a better future.

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 10863800)

Absolutely true. It's getting a lot better now.

But I think one change that would immediately effect a dramatic difference is to bar any public servant or member of the legal system (including lawyers and judges) that spends any time in jail for any violation of the public trust. It seems we still have quite a few at all levels of the legal and political system that have been in and out of jail repeatedly - one concept that you really have to get used to if you come from elsewhere.

Originally Posted by IamStu (Post 10863914)

I'm not sure of the situation in Ireland as of today. I lived there just over two years ago and things were very bad.
The Uk seems to be suffering from "skilled" people leaving more so than arriving.

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10863929)

Spain is also losing out due to it's ever decreasing wages and conditions.
I believe there was a link demonstrating that even the UK can offer skilled Spanish doctors double the wages they are earning now and no doubt that could be bettered elsewhere.

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 10864041)

That's true, but from what I have read and seen, it is mainly people who can't get a job who are leaving Spain, not those who want to be paid more

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10863917)

As long as those with criminal records are allowed and being voted back in to positions of authority and responsibility, (the current figure is 70% of them, can you believe), I don't see things improving to any great extent.