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Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Lynn R
(Post 10863365)
But was the "confidence" and optimism twenty years ago not due to the fact that so many people had jobs, and were making good money, because of the kind of grandiose projects and EU money being spent that you are such a harsh critic of now? Construction work on Valencia's City of Arts & Sciences, for example, began in 1994 and the planning and approval must have begun much earlier. The first AVE line opened in 1992, so again planning and construction must have started well before that. The building boom was well under way too.
Everything, absolutely everything was standing still. All projects totally abandoned almost as though the world had come to an end and lots of ppl out of work and struggling. That was in Tenerife but I'm sure the recession was still pretty widespread then, though maybe it took a little longer for the Canaries to get their arses back into gear. No to me the atmosphere now is totally different to back then and maybe Cman describes the reasons well. There is not the same optimism now,.. rather a mood of depression, and the continuing or ever increasing exodus is probably a realistic reflection of the present situation. |
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10863691)
Not at all, definitely not where I was anyway.
Everything, absolutely everything was standing still. All projects totally abandoned almost as though the world had come to an end and lots of ppl out of work and struggling. That was in Tenerife but I'm sure the recession was still pretty widespread then, though maybe it took a little longer for the Canaries to get their arses back into gear. No to me the atmosphere now is totally different to back then and maybe Cman describes the reasons well. There is not the same optimism now,.. rather a mood of depression, and the continuing or ever increasing exodus is probably a realistic reflection of the present situation. When I lived in Ireland, all the stories of depression and people leaving the country ... no different to here really. And also the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ent-drain.html I just wonder where everyone's going? |
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by IamStu
(Post 10863705)
The mood of the recession is in every country effected.
When I lived in Ireland, all the stories of depression and people leaving the country ... no different to here really. And also the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ent-drain.html I just wonder where everyone's going? :rofl: |
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Lynn R
(Post 10863365)
Same with the corruption and nepotism that you and other posters constantly refer to (and I don't like it either). But the 1990s was the decade when Jesus Gil was Mayor of Marbella - the corruption and the nepotism was flourishing then, and had been for much longer. The difference is that in more recent times people have begun to be investigated and are finding themselves in the dock, although proceedings seem to be excruciatingly slow and the penalties not harsh enough. But I think one change that would immediately effect a dramatic difference is to bar any public servant or member of the legal system (including lawyers and judges) that spends any time in jail for any violation of the public trust. It seems we still have quite a few at all levels of the legal and political system that have been in and out of jail repeatedly - one concept that you really have to get used to if you come from elsewhere. |
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by IamStu
(Post 10863705)
The mood of the recession is in every country effected.
When I lived in Ireland, all the stories of depression and people leaving the country ... no different to here really. And also the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ent-drain.html I just wonder where everyone's going? Ireland has picked up and the movement to and from the UK is fairly normal in this day and age with skilled workers moving in as well as out. With regard to Spain the virtual one way movement out of skilled workers continues to increase to the UK, Germany elsewhere in N.Europe and Worldwide. Little wonder that the language schools, many of which didn't even exist a few years back are doing a roaring trade. The Spanish have paid scant attention to such things for as long as I can recall until all of a sudden these last few years they realize how desperate the situation has become and how important it is for themselves and their families to make really serious efforts in this direction in the hope of guaranteeing themselves a better future. |
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10863901)
I would say much different in Spain.
Ireland has picked up and the movement to and from the UK is fairly normal in this day and age with skilled workers moving in as well as out. With regard to Spain the virtual one way movement out of skilled workers continues to increase to the UK, Germany elsewhere in N.Europe and Worldwide. Little wonder that the language schools, many of which didn't even exist a few years back are doing a roaring trade. The Spanish have paid scant attention to such things for as long as I can recall until all of a sudden these last few years they realize how desperate the situation has become and how important it is for themselves and their families to make really serious efforts in this direction in the hope of guaranteeing themselves a better future. The Uk seems to be suffering from "skilled" people leaving more so than arriving. |
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 10863800)
Absolutely true. It's getting a lot better now.
But I think one change that would immediately effect a dramatic difference is to bar any public servant or member of the legal system (including lawyers and judges) that spends any time in jail for any violation of the public trust. It seems we still have quite a few at all levels of the legal and political system that have been in and out of jail repeatedly - one concept that you really have to get used to if you come from elsewhere. |
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by IamStu
(Post 10863914)
I'm not sure of the situation in Ireland as of today. I lived there just over two years ago and things were very bad.
The Uk seems to be suffering from "skilled" people leaving more so than arriving. I believe there was a link demonstrating that even the UK can offer skilled Spanish doctors double the wages they are earning now and no doubt that could be bettered elsewhere. |
Re: Would you do it again?
I'd do it again, I'd just do it sooner :)
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Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10863929)
Spain is also losing out due to it's ever decreasing wages and conditions.
I believe there was a link demonstrating that even the UK can offer skilled Spanish doctors double the wages they are earning now and no doubt that could be bettered elsewhere. |
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 10864041)
That's true, but from what I have read and seen, it is mainly people who can't get a job who are leaving Spain, not those who want to be paid more
My wife is friends with a Pharmacist who is currently studying English so he can move to the UK and earn much more money, which backs up DD. Then again, my wifes cousin who is a newly qualified architect is currently working in Sweden as an au pair! Her partner, also an architect is staying hear, living with his parents whilst trying to find work ... no luck yet:( ... in the mean time, he´s taking German classes as he already speaks good English. |
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10863917)
As long as those with criminal records are allowed and being voted back in to positions of authority and responsibility, (the current figure is 70% of them, can you believe), I don't see things improving to any great extent.
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