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Would a Conservatory be a bad idea?

Old Nov 5th 2014, 10:32 pm
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We have a plot of land where our villa is built on a solid pad of foundations but the land around it on one side is sinking slowly.
My better half wants to add a Conservatory on to the villa on the sinking side, but to me it seems an impossible thing to do without extensive & expensive foundations, and even then I can't see how the new bit can be pinned to the old.

Ignoring the thing about adding a Brit-type conservatory to a Spanish villa which might not be a good idea aesthetically, is anyone with building knowledge able to advise?

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Old Nov 5th 2014, 10:43 pm
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Plenty of them around here. What would lead you to believe it's exclusively a "British" thing? Unless of course, you plan to deliberately decorate it in an obviously "English cottage" genre. But even then, so what?

Aside from the construction costs, planning permission could be the biggest mountain to climb.
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Originally Posted by sharpee
Hi
We have a plot of land where our villa is built on a solid pad of foundations but the land around it on one side is sinking slowly.
My better half wants to add a Conservatory on to the villa on the sinking side, but to me it seems an impossible thing to do without extensive & expensive foundations, and even then I can't see how the new bit can be pinned to the old.

Ignoring the thing about adding a Brit-type conservatory to a Spanish villa which might not be a good idea aesthetically, is anyone with building knowledge able to advise?

Many thanks
I would be a bit worried if the land is sinking. I prefer the term Glass Room, which is a bit more modern than the old looking conservatory
Glass Rooms from Samson Awnings & Terrace Covers
If the land is in order, you won't need foundation work, but they are pretty expensive.
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Old Nov 6th 2014, 12:08 am
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Originally Posted by amideislas
Plenty of them around here. What would lead you to believe it's exclusively a "British" thing? Unless of course, you plan to deliberately decorate it in an obviously "English cottage" genre. But even then, so what?

Aside from the construction costs, planning permission could be the biggest mountain to climb.
Why?
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Originally Posted by Neptuno
Why?
Spanish also build conservatories. It's not exclusively a British thing.

If you meant why would planning permission be a problem? Well, it usually is. Depending on the region, can be quite expensive too.
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Originally Posted by amideislas
Spanish also build conservatories. It's not exclusively a British thing.

If you meant why would planning permission be a problem? Well, it usually is. Depending on the region, can be quite expensive too.
I cannot see why planning permission would be expensive or difficult to obtain.
If it is a UVPC version with no brick base, It could be regarded like a greenhouse
Surely?
Have you had actual experience of this?
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Originally Posted by Neptuno
I cannot see why planning permission would be expensive or difficult to obtain.
If it is a UVPC version with no brick base, It could be regarded like a greenhouse
Surely?

Have you had actual experience of this?
Not quite true.

If it's on a permanent base (concrete in all likelihood) then it can not be classed as a temporary structure. Normal rules will therefore apply.
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Originally Posted by snikpoh
Not quite true.

If it's on a permanent base (concrete in all likelihood) then it can not be classed as a temporary structure. Normal rules will therefore apply.
Yes, normal rules will apply and as mentioned every region is different. If it's a removable and not over a certain height, planning can't do anything.
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Originally Posted by Neptuno
I cannot see why planning permission would be expensive or difficult to obtain.
If it is a UVPC version with no brick base, It could be regarded like a greenhouse
Surely?
Have you had actual experience of this?
Yes.

In my neighbourhood, you're supposed to obtain planning permission for virtually anything that's;
  • permanent (that includes paint, plaster, anything involving concrete, interior or exterior)
  • any visible structure of any kind

You need to submit detailed design / materials documents provided by a licenced architect, who are not cheap. Surprisingly, I've had architects submit designs that are not much more than a scribble on a paper, but as long as it has the official architect's stamp, it's acceptable. Usually around €300.

If it's a >visible< structure, the Ajuntamento sends out notices to all residents within 500 meters to allow them to object. Usually someone does, just in the interest of objecting. Then you have to prove that their objections are not valid. Wastes 3-4 months, if not more.

In the end, after all has been approved, there is a price to pay for the approval. Depending on the project, could be between a €few hundred and upwards of €10K.

For that reason, around here most people who are constructing a small structure such as this often just build it without planning permission, but avoid anything that would render it technically "permanent" (which can result in nasty fines) - in other words, no use of concrete - lay gravel and stones as a floor instead, pound metal stakes deep into the ground to anchor the structure... Builders around here know a lot of techniques for keeping it technically "not permanent".

In the end, as long as nobody complains, the chances that anyone will investigate or cause grief are pretty remote. It doesn't exist.

And virtually NOBODY obtains planning permission for most interior work - but technically it's required. For example, just to paint your lounge, you're supposed to submit colours, size of area to be painted, paint formulas, etc. for approval. But nobody does.

If you plan to do it without planning permission, talk to your neighbours to find out whether they care or not - they are really the ones who can cause you grief afterwards - ideally, get their signature on a document saying they approve of it. And make sure every centimeter of it is on your own property.
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Hmmm,.....wonder how many of these conservatories have planning permission?
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Originally Posted by Neptuno
Hmmm,.....wonder how many of these conservatories have planning permission?
Licencia de obra Menor for painting your walls inside is unrealistic. In most cases the town hall doesn't even have documentation of the original wall colours used.
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I can understand having to get planning permission for extensions, garages , or anything that might affect another adjoining property, but the obra menor for changing colours, tiling walls, paths , and any other jobs seems an utter waste of time; it's just money for the town hall, which they could get by being more efficient at setting and collecting the IBI, instead of charging peanuts to those in the Campo.
Paying a architect a huge amount to scribble is ridiculous, money for old rope comes to mind.
I bet 99 % of people living in Spain would not have the the correct licences for the work they have done , obtained menor or mayor, if someone came round to check.
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I must be missing something here

Why on earth would you want to build a conservatory in Spain anyway?
We glazed our balcony with thick german glazed units. With tiled roof and breeze block/brick walls it still got very very hot in the sumer, even with thw indows open and a breeze.

But a glass room? Maybe nice in the evening but I dont think I'd be going in there in the day at all
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Licencia de obra Menor for painting your walls inside is unrealistic. In most cases the town hall doesn't even have documentation of the original wall colours used.
..unless of course you are silly enough to solicit planning permission to paint your lounge. Then it would indeed be on record.

I fully support all the benefits of practical planning permission, but it seems to have morphed from a community service into a revenue stream - or perhaps just a "sense of control" for certain bureaucrats. For me, that puts the entire exercise in question. In fact, I'd argue it seriously undermines the real purpose for it.

I too reckon that virtually everyone must be in violation in one way or another. But I suppose that could come in handy if some bureaucrat develops a vendetta against you for some reason.
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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
I must be missing something here

Why on earth would you want to build a conservatory in Spain anyway?
We glazed our balcony with thick german glazed units. With tiled roof and breeze block/brick walls it still got very very hot in the sumer, even with thw indows open and a breeze.

But a glass room? Maybe nice in the evening but I dont think I'd be going in there in the day at all
It really depends how you use the glass room and where you're located (Spain does have different climates). You can open the sliding doors completely, so don't have the feeling your locked in and have the added benefit of using it in winter or when it's raining.
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