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Old Oct 10th 2014, 3:23 am
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Originally Posted by EMR
Have you been following the quality press and current affairs progs.

The coalition that is being discussed is another Con .Lib one.
The Libs will lose their shirts but will still have enough seats 30+ to be the party that decides which of the other two will form a government.

Labour may well be the party with the largest number of MP.s but a combined Con/Lib government could and lets hope it does will be the next goverment.
No coalition will mean a minority government and that will see the end of a renegotiation of EU membership and any chance of a referendum.
UKIP will join the nationalist parties on the " billy no mates " seats.
Has UKIP’s first Member of Parliament got to you? Try this one on.

A rise in immigration.

A welfare bill spiralling out of control.

What does this add up to?

Rising immigration + Rising welfare bill = A rise in UK borrowing (and set to borrow more in 5 years than Labour did in 13 years of government.)

And you have to pay for it.

Sweet dreams.
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Old Oct 10th 2014, 3:34 am
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Originally Posted by la mancha
Has UKIP’s first Member of Parliament got to you? Try this one on.

A rise in immigration.

A welfare bill spiralling out of control.

What does this add up to?

Rising immigration + Rising welfare bill = A rise in UK borrowing (and set to borrow more in 5 years than Labour did in 13 years of government.)

And you have to pay for it.

Sweet dreams.
Enjoy your five minutes of fame, UKIPs performance reminds me of a minor , minor league football club that gets to round 1 of the qualifying rounds for the FA Cup.
Once they reach the real competition then thats the last anyone hears of them.

The biggest risk the UK faces in not from any of the above but of a nother global economic recession .
Your last line is a classic example of UKIP ignorance of global financial affairs and the problems the UK faced as a result of the global banking crisis.
Of course UKIPIANS would not know anything about that having a world vision that only reaches as far as the Isle of Sheppey .
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Old Oct 10th 2014, 3:48 am
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Originally Posted by EMR
Enjoy your five minutes of fame, UKIPs performance reminds me of a minor , minor league football club that gets to round 1 of the qualifying rounds for the FA Cup.
Once they reach the real competition then thats the last anyone hears of them.

The biggest risk the UK faces in not from any of the above but of a nother global economic recession .
Your last line is a classic example of UKIP ignorance of global financial affairs and the problems the UK faced as a result of the global banking crisis.
Of course UKIPIANS would not know anything about that having a world vision that only reaches as far as the Isle of Sheppey .
A victorious UKIP really have got you rattled, haven’t they. But since you were the first to mention immigration and UKIP together – ‘Who could blame the UE for digging its heels in when it see the anti EU, Immigration policies being promoted by UKIP.’ (post 43) – and now want to wriggle off the subject, how about this one.


‘Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary, has said the Government is facing a crisis in its attempts to stop EU foreign nationals coming to the UK to claim benefits.’

Iain Duncan Smith admits 'crisis' over immigrants claiming benefits - Telegraph

This.
Plus a rising welfare bill.
Equals a rise in borrowing.
Which you have to pay off.

Sweet dreams.
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Old Oct 10th 2014, 3:59 am
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You still do not get it do you .
Where is UKIPS viable economic policy and if you can find it where are the internationally recogised economic experts who agree with it.
Keep waving the immigration flag, that is all you have got.

But that is now dead in the water as your 1 MP has said that UKIP wants to appeal to all Brits, Polish, Romanian, Moldovans, Muslims, Asians, Africans born in this country.
All those receiving benefits, health cover, they can now be part of the UKIP family.

If he carries on like that he will be back in the Tory party in no time.
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Old Oct 10th 2014, 4:06 am
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Originally Posted by EMR
You still do not get it do you .
Where is UKIPS viable economic policy and if you can find it where are the internationally recogised economic experts who agree with it.
Keep waving the immigration flag, that is all you have got.

But that is now dead in the water as your 1 MP has said that UKIP wants to appeal to all Brits, Polish, Romanian, Moldovans, Muslims, Asians, Africans born in this country.
All those receiving benefits, health cover, they can now be part of the UKIP family.

If he carries on like that he will be back in the Tory party in no time.
And look who else is in on it.

“Uncontrolled, mass immigration displaces British workers, forces people onto benefits, and suppresses wages for the low-paid."

Who said this? None other than Theresa May in 2012.

Curbing mass immigration could bring down house prices, Theresa May says - Telegraph

And good luck to the first UKIP Member of Parliament for saying what he did, i.e. those born in this country, something we all agree with.

Keep at it. Who knows, you might make sense one day.

Sweet dreams, pal.
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Old Oct 10th 2014, 4:14 am
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So you are happy that there are millions of British born. Poles, Moldovans. Romanians , muslims etc etc , living within their communities, practicing their religious and other cultural traditions. claiming their legal rights to benefits, NHS cover etc.
Enriching the UK in every sense.

Are you really a supporter of UKIP !!
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Old Oct 10th 2014, 4:22 am
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Originally Posted by HBG
It may not be that simple to kick us out, but not being in the EU would take some important rights away from us, and may make us want to leave of our own accord.

The most basic rights conferred on all members of the EU is the freedom to work and live anywhere within the EU. I won't bother with running through all the other rights, like reciprocal health care, because it would take too long.

And we're sticking our heads in the sand when we refuse to acknowledge a Europe-wide increase of nasty nationalism and creeping dislike of foreigners.

It could be that when we eventually lift our heads out of the sand we will find a Se Vende sign stuck on our bums.
There's plenty of non-EU citizens legally living and working in the EU and doing just fine. And they enjoy freedom of movement like any EU citizen. That includes South Americans, North Americans, Russians, Asians, etc..

So what exactly would be any different? Would the EU gestapo suddenly start peeling the rights away from all non-EU residents that happen to have UK citizenship? I seriously doubt it.

In Spain, if you are a legal resident and pay your taxes, you get health care, just the same as in any EU member state. How would that change? Would Brits solely be denied access to health care simply for being Brits, even if they pay for it?

Reciprocal? the NHS would suddenly start refusing to provide care to UK citizens if they lived abroad? They seem to happily provide care to foreigners without thinking twice about it, so why refuse UK citizens?

Nationalism? I don't think that has all that much to do with it. It's just that each nationality harbours certain discomforts with a very distant, rather elitist Brussels dictating everything to them, which is understandable.
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Old Oct 10th 2014, 4:25 am
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Originally Posted by EMR
So you are happy that there are millions of British born. Poles, Moldovans. Romanians , muslims etc etc , living within their communities, practicing their religious and other cultural traditions. claiming their legal rights to benefits, NHS cover etc.
Enriching the UK in every sense.

Are you really a supporter of UKIP !!
Yes. Yes, and yes again. Illegal and mass EU immigration is the problem. And the way UK governments dish out passports by the hundreds of thousands.

You have just posted:

‘Labour may well be the party with the largest number of MP.s but a combined Con/Lib government could and lets hope it does will be the next goverment.
No coalition will mean a minority government and that will see the end of a renegotiation of EU membership and any chance of a referendum.


You want another Con/LibDem government? Do you think the LibDems will agree to a referendum? What planet are you on? I have never heard such rubbish. Ever. Do you honestly mean to tell me you hope there will be another Con/LibDem coalition? And you think they will agree to a referendum?

Your argument hasn’t got a leg to stand on. It’s washed up, finished, consigned to the bin of yesteryear. The Eurozone is bankrupt and heading for another, third, recession. Germany is in trouble. France is out of the picture. Spain, Greece and all the rest of them are what?

Roll on May 2015.

Sweet dreams because like it or not UKIP is here to stay.
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Old Oct 10th 2014, 4:32 am
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UKIP here to stay.
Thats what they said about the SDLP, remember them, end of the labour party etc etc,

Enjoy your time in the sun , it will not last long.

The Tories may have to chose between NOT being in government or once again being in Coalition with the Libs.
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Old Oct 10th 2014, 4:35 am
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Originally Posted by EMR
UKIP here to stay.
Thats what they said about the SDLP, remember them, end of the labour party etc etc,

Enjoy your time in the sun , it will not last long.

The Tories may have to chose between NOT being in government or once again being in Coalition with the Libs.
Dream on, pal.
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Old Oct 10th 2014, 4:43 am
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I cannot wait for May, and the lack of posts from UKIP supportersas they cry into Nigels beer.
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Originally Posted by EMR
So you are happy that there are millions of British born. Poles, Moldovans. Romanians , muslims etc etc , living within their communities, practicing their religious and other cultural traditions. claiming their legal rights to benefits, NHS cover etc.
Enriching the UK in every sense.

Are you really a supporter of UKIP !!
The last post I made using the R word got deleted so I cannot say it again.

However that is a very R statement
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Old Oct 10th 2014, 4:58 am
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
The last post I made using the R word got deleted so I cannot say it again.

However that is a very R statement
You mean " enriching the UK in every way " do you ??
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personally, I would be very surprised to see the Lib Dems winning many seats in the next election. I suspect they are in for a big surprise. They sold out the voters just so they could power share. The voters will remember that.

I also wouldn't rule out UKIp making big gains. The nation is fed up at the grass roots with the two and a half main parties. No charismatic leaders just Eton toffs.
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Watching the news this morning one might believe that the main parties may at last listen to the voters.
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