What Do You Know Now That You Wish You Knew Before You Moved?
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What Do You Know Now That You Wish You Knew Before You Moved?
Husband is US Citizen, I'm dual UK/US (OK and Canadian). There is a possibility he could be transferred to Madrid for his job. This would likely be a short term assignment (1 year) and not a permanent move and is not imminent. Considering we have lived in three countries, I can't even think about what we should be thinking about, hence thread title.
Also, anything we should take into account would be appreciated.
Also, anything we should take into account would be appreciated.
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What Do You Know Now That You Wish You Knew Before You Moved?
That I would be so happy <LOL>
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Husband is US Citizen, I'm dual UK/US (OK and Canadian). There is a possibility he could be transferred to Madrid for his job. This would likely be a short term assignment (1 year) and not a permanent move and is not imminent. Considering we have lived in three countries, I can't even think about what we should be thinking about, hence thread title.
Also, anything we should take into account would be appreciated.
Also, anything we should take into account would be appreciated.
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How cold the houses are in winter without central heating even if it's warm and sunny outside
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I hope the company will pick up the tab for accommodation. Rental prices have gone through the roof in Madrid. Yes very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer but a beautiful city with lots to see and do. You will need some Spanish to get the best out of it.
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That's a good thing.
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Thanks, that's the sort of thing that I wouldn't even think about.
I hope so too. (Accommodation.) It is one of the questions we will have for HR if we decide to pursue this. Cold in the winter? How cold usually?
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You can see the temperature gradient on the internet - but the measured temperature and "how it feels" depends much on the climate and how well built your house is. I recall the climate in Madrid being described as "nine months of Purgatory and three months of Hell"..... so the latter seems to be very important! In looking to back up that statement I found a link to an old (1901) book - https://chestofbooks.com/travel/spai...in-Part-3.html which says "The climate of Madrid is far from healthful. It has been called "nine months hibernal and three months infernal." Built on the highest point of the great table-land, which forms the centre of the peninsula, it lies two thousand four hundred feet above the sea. There are no forests near, to break the force of the piercing winds from the neighboring snow-capped mountains; and though in summer the sun is often as scorching as a blast from a fiery furnace, by crossing to the shady side of the street one may feel cool enough for an overcoat or shawl. The difference between sun and shade is sometimes twenty degrees."
I have a house in the hills in Portugal, nowhere near 2,400 feet up - more like 800. In the summer, temperature can top 40c, in the winter we get frost in the morning (but it can hit 20+ later in the day). I agree with the thing about shade - the temperature can plummet in the winter as soon as the sun goes in and it feels cold, even though the thermometer says 10-12c.
I have a house in the hills in Portugal, nowhere near 2,400 feet up - more like 800. In the summer, temperature can top 40c, in the winter we get frost in the morning (but it can hit 20+ later in the day). I agree with the thing about shade - the temperature can plummet in the winter as soon as the sun goes in and it feels cold, even though the thermometer says 10-12c.
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You can see the temperature gradient on the internet - but the measured temperature and "how it feels" depends much on the climate and how well built your house is. I recall the climate in Madrid being described as "nine months of Purgatory and three months of Hell"..... so the latter seems to be very important! In looking to back up that statement I found a link to an old (1901) book - https://chestofbooks.com/travel/spai...in-Part-3.html which says "The climate of Madrid is far from healthful. It has been called "nine months hibernal and three months infernal." Built on the highest point of the great table-land, which forms the centre of the peninsula, it lies two thousand four hundred feet above the sea. There are no forests near, to break the force of the piercing winds from the neighboring snow-capped mountains; and though in summer the sun is often as scorching as a blast from a fiery furnace, by crossing to the shady side of the street one may feel cool enough for an overcoat or shawl. The difference between sun and shade is sometimes twenty degrees."
I have a house in the hills in Portugal, nowhere near 2,400 feet up - more like 800. In the summer, temperature can top 40c, in the winter we get frost in the morning (but it can hit 20+ later in the day). I agree with the thing about shade - the temperature can plummet in the winter as soon as the sun goes in and it feels cold, even though the thermometer says 10-12c.
I have a house in the hills in Portugal, nowhere near 2,400 feet up - more like 800. In the summer, temperature can top 40c, in the winter we get frost in the morning (but it can hit 20+ later in the day). I agree with the thing about shade - the temperature can plummet in the winter as soon as the sun goes in and it feels cold, even though the thermometer says 10-12c.
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You can see the temperature gradient on the internet - but the measured temperature and "how it feels" depends much on the climate and how well built your house is. I recall the climate in Madrid being described as "nine months of Purgatory and three months of Hell"..... so the latter seems to be very important! In looking to back up that statement I found a link to an old (1901) book - https://chestofbooks.com/travel/spai...in-Part-3.html which says "The climate of Madrid is far from healthful. It has been called "nine months hibernal and three months infernal." Built on the highest point of the great table-land, which forms the centre of the peninsula, it lies two thousand four hundred feet above the sea. There are no forests near, to break the force of the piercing winds from the neighboring snow-capped mountains; and though in summer the sun is often as scorching as a blast from a fiery furnace, by crossing to the shady side of the street one may feel cool enough for an overcoat or shawl. The difference between sun and shade is sometimes twenty degrees."
I have a house in the hills in Portugal, nowhere near 2,400 feet up - more like 800. In the summer, temperature can top 40c, in the winter we get frost in the morning (but it can hit 20+ later in the day). I agree with the thing about shade - the temperature can plummet in the winter as soon as the sun goes in and it feels cold, even though the thermometer says 10-12c.
I have a house in the hills in Portugal, nowhere near 2,400 feet up - more like 800. In the summer, temperature can top 40c, in the winter we get frost in the morning (but it can hit 20+ later in the day). I agree with the thing about shade - the temperature can plummet in the winter as soon as the sun goes in and it feels cold, even though the thermometer says 10-12c.
I think the sun/shade thing is true in many places especially in the winter so it is interesting that you have found a piece specifically written about Madrid. I wonder if it is a surprise to people because they are thinking, "oh, it's Spain, it has to be warmer than the UK (or whatever country)."
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Americans, even Californians, are used to dinnner at 6pm to 7pm. Think more like 9pm+++ in Madrid. 10pm+ if you want to see any locals.
Get underfloor heating if you want to feel cosy in winter.
Accept that anything in spain requires bureacracy and endless stamping of forms in triplicate. And then more bureaucracy...
Get underfloor heating if you want to feel cosy in winter.
Accept that anything in spain requires bureacracy and endless stamping of forms in triplicate. And then more bureaucracy...
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What you can find on the internet does not necessarily reflect reality.
I think the sun/shade thing is true in many places especially in the winter so it is interesting that you have found a piece specifically written about Madrid. I wonder if it is a surprise to people because they are thinking, "oh, it's Spain, it has to be warmer than the UK (or whatever country)."
I think the sun/shade thing is true in many places especially in the winter so it is interesting that you have found a piece specifically written about Madrid. I wonder if it is a surprise to people because they are thinking, "oh, it's Spain, it has to be warmer than the UK (or whatever country)."
Americans, even Californians, are used to dinnner at 6pm to 7pm. Think more like 9pm+++ in Madrid. 10pm+ if you want to see any locals.
Get underfloor heating if you want to feel cosy in winter.
Accept that anything in spain requires bureacracy and endless stamping of forms in triplicate. And then more bureaucracy...
Get underfloor heating if you want to feel cosy in winter.
Accept that anything in spain requires bureacracy and endless stamping of forms in triplicate. And then more bureaucracy...
For Spain https://www.anepiceducation.com/span...-eat-in-spain/
I'd definitely agree on the heating - and insulation - and double glazing.
Bureaucracy! When you need to fill out a form to get the form you need, then take a ticket to queue to hand in the form and do it all again to hand in the final form.... but it's now too late for today. The life just drains out of you......
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Get underfloor heating if you want to feel cosy in winter.
I'm loving all these small but important things.
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Traditional building techniques in (Franco and pre Franco) Spain never considered things like air conditioning or heating. A fireplace was the heating system. To keep cool, houses were made of stone. Thick stone. It takes a long time to heat up, and lasts forever. That's another problem; the sun destroys most things. Especially wood and plastic. Stone is the only thing that survives over 30 years or more.
And that's why houses feel cold in winter, even when it's warm outside. They're made to stay cool, and last for centuries.
New houses use newer techniques, but many homebuyers have a preference for traditional stone construction.
And that's why houses feel cold in winter, even when it's warm outside. They're made to stay cool, and last for centuries.
New houses use newer techniques, but many homebuyers have a preference for traditional stone construction.
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Re: eating times, yes they eat late at home. I started meeting a Spanish lady for conversation - a bit of Spanish-only for me and some English-only for her. In the end we found that 8pm was the best time: I could eat at 7 and she could eat at 10 or 11. Going to bed on full stomachs it's a wonder they're not all fat.
Sometimes my Mum comes to visit. As an *ahem* older person she likes to eat early, and when we go to the restaurants at 6 they obviously find it funny that the English people are eating dinner in the afternoon. Indeed there are still people finishing off their lunch.
But as the song says we ain't nothing but mammals and as such have body clocks governed by the sun. Whilst in London the sun is overhead at noon or 1pm during BST, in Madrid (to the west of Greenwhich but an hour forward) the sun is overhead at about 2:15 for 8 months per year. So it's no wonder they do everything later than in the UK.
Sometimes my Mum comes to visit. As an *ahem* older person she likes to eat early, and when we go to the restaurants at 6 they obviously find it funny that the English people are eating dinner in the afternoon. Indeed there are still people finishing off their lunch.
But as the song says we ain't nothing but mammals and as such have body clocks governed by the sun. Whilst in London the sun is overhead at noon or 1pm during BST, in Madrid (to the west of Greenwhich but an hour forward) the sun is overhead at about 2:15 for 8 months per year. So it's no wonder they do everything later than in the UK.
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Re: eating times, yes they eat late at home. I started meeting a Spanish lady for conversation - a bit of Spanish-only for me and some English-only for her. In the end we found that 8pm was the best time: I could eat at 7 and she could eat at 10 or 11. Going to bed on full stomachs it's a wonder they're not all fat.
Sometimes my Mum comes to visit. As an *ahem* older person she likes to eat early, and when we go to the restaurants at 6 they obviously find it funny that the English people are eating dinner in the afternoon. Indeed there are still people finishing off their lunch.
But as the song says we ain't nothing but mammals and as such have body clocks governed by the sun. Whilst in London the sun is overhead at noon or 1pm during BST, in Madrid (to the west of Greenwhich but an hour forward) the sun is overhead at about 2:15 for 8 months per year. So it's no wonder they do everything later than in the UK.
Sometimes my Mum comes to visit. As an *ahem* older person she likes to eat early, and when we go to the restaurants at 6 they obviously find it funny that the English people are eating dinner in the afternoon. Indeed there are still people finishing off their lunch.
But as the song says we ain't nothing but mammals and as such have body clocks governed by the sun. Whilst in London the sun is overhead at noon or 1pm during BST, in Madrid (to the west of Greenwhich but an hour forward) the sun is overhead at about 2:15 for 8 months per year. So it's no wonder they do everything later than in the UK.
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