Welcome to the future.
 

Well, its been said a thousand times that we are doomed to a muslim future so here you go.... the proof!


The rise of the affluent Muslim traveller



We're doomed, doomed I tells ya!

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I couldnt care less

Muslim, Christian, Hindu whatever, same old rubbish. As long as it keeps them happy, I prefer football :)

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Tells me all I could ever wish to know about you to be fair.

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Hey dont be so sport-ist. At least the people I idolise, no sorry, watch exist

:D

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When you choose a holiday destination, you should be aware of that country's customs and food and be prepared to be flexible. If you are a strict vegetarian, for example, Spain is probably not the place for you. Similarly a Muslim shouldn't expect to find halal food readily available in a non Muslim country.

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How right you are............:)

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Me neither, I'm settling down to watch Man Utd v Everton kick off in 5 mins and a huge rack of spicy ribs,jacket potato and salad will be ready at half time. Isn't life grand

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What about if it restricts the amount of money you can earn from tourists? Is their money not good enough?

Not giving Muslims and Jew halal and kosher meat is surely an infringement of their human rights? No?

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I smell another lecture about intolerance and isms coming on, .........I for one cant be arsed to point out the obvious,

See y'all.

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Hold on, my point is valid.

Spain is in a mess financially, it needs money, why wouldn't someone want the obvious surge in cash Muslim tourists could offer. Have you read the article? Some of the figures are amazing and Spain is definitely a popular destination for obvious reasons. I have quite a few Gulf Arab friends and many look at Spain as a former colony and their interest is strong for all the cultural gems it has to offer, why not capitalise on that? If I had a bar/restaurant out in Spain I would definitely offer halal and kosher, just like I would vegetarian.

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It would be incredibly boring though wouldn't it? No drink and all?

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But very often the two don't mix. Stricter Muslims would certainly not want alcohol served on the premises and insist that all meat is kosher. To do it properly I think you have to be one or the other. The numbers are impressive I don't think it will be long before someone does open this type of establishment.

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You and I both know the return on soft drinks and coffee is far greater than alcohol....

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I know of a halal butcher in marbella, there are probably more. The Muslims who stay there don't seem to mind places that sell booze, the clubs and Casinos are full of muslims in the summer. There are a few mosques too.

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ah well, the token friends again so thats alright
:banghead:

if i had a bar/restaurant I would cater for the people who came in every day, not those who pop in to create a fuss because they haven't been catered for.
and I wouldnt serve anyone hidden under a head dress in the same way as I wouldnt serve someone not wearing a shirt or tee-shirt.
I would at least make a profit, unlike you unless you started serving halal to those who wouldnt touch it, without telling them

I see Gulf states as former colonies where men lost their lives needlessly due to the religious intolerance of people who would rather throw a hand grenade than sit down and talk.

as JLFS has the rightness of it all, this is just poking things with a stick to see what opportunities there are to..........
oh sod it
:getcoat:

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they queue very nicely to visit the Alhambra

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I was born and raised in the area, I went to school in the area, my family still have a business in the area, many of my family members still live out there..... what exactly are you trying to say?

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Indeed it is, but as a percentage of total wet sales it is small. Less than 10% in my pubs. I suspect it may be higher in Spain due to the climate and the ability of the Spanish to drink coffee at any time of the day/evening.

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I think the article is referring to the future travel plans of the increasingly wealthy Muslims not the current ones.

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Exactly it is all a numbers game, and not forgetting a lot of soft drinks are not a stand alone, but sold as a mixer to the alcoholic drinks. So not selling alcohol also brings down the sale of mixer/soft drinks.
he biggest profit earned is on "infusions", a fruity tea bag that costs about 1 cent of penny,and boiling water.

And although it is a money spinner it does not do a blind bit of good in the scale of things if it is only a small percentage of total wets.

It is like all the people who think that places selling ridiculously cheap fry up brekkies are making up for it by the profit on the tea they sell.

For that to work they would have to sell such a huge number of teas that it is completly ludicrous, as most places have such a small seating capacity........

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Exactly, the food is the key, so why wouldn't you offer halal? Lets face it, within the next 12-13 years a third of the planet will be muslim, shouldn't we embrace that?

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would muslims who only eat halal meat be prepared to eat in a place that serves pork and alcohol?

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Not that I know any muslims you understand, I mean why would I... but, if I did, at this point I would tell you that I have sat next to them while I tuck into a drink. You would be surprised to see just how tolerant foreigners can be sometimes.

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What i asked is:

Would muslims be willing to eat from a kitchen that also prepares pork in all its various guises alongside halal food.

Surly this can be answered going into the tolerance/niceness isuues, cant it?

If you dont know the answer just say so.

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There are parts of London that cater mainly for Muslim residents/customers. Edgware Road is the obvious example, but you get other areas such as Green Lanes (for the Turkish/Kurdish community). As well as coffee shops, clothes shops, restaurants, kebab joints, you also get sheesha bars, specialist sweet and nut shops, religious bookshops, specialist travel agents and the like. I think RM has a point, and there could well be parts of tourist Spain in the future that cater for Muslim visitors, the same way that certain areas are mainly for Germans, or for Brits.

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You didn't actually ask that but in answer to that, do vegetarians have a problem eating veggie food from a place that serves meat? Good food hygiene is good food hygiene.

The report talks about people getting better prepared to capitalise on the huge wealth among the growing muslim population. Getting better prepared would mean people learning, being more sensitive and savvy, no?

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This may surprise you?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aughtered.html

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The one thing I do know is that many Middle Eastern clients are very loyal and can really spend money, when we lived near Deauville we heard all sorts of stories about the Arabs at the casino there, their generosity was legendary and if I owned a bar in Spain that could accommodate this sort of sea change then I would want to tap into that market. Arabs will eat anything you serve them so long as what they eat complies with their religious sensitivities, the menu would hardly change, just the ingredients. Its a no brainer for me really.

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You seem to forget one thing, both of you.

Just because a Spanish/British/Norwegian restaurant owner buys halal meat and other products, it does not make them able to cook the recipies using those products. Not good enough for most nationals of the muslim countries to eat there.


If I wanted fish, chips and mushy peas, I would not go to an Italian place, would you?

And if I wanted a nice Indian curry, I would not go to Pacos on the corner, would you?

Horses for courses, I have yet to see an English guy, who has cornered the Hungarian market in Spain (just an example).

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So would the preparation of pork products in the same kitchen comply with their religious sensitivities or not?

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You like to compartmentalise your life don't you? Are you aware of the history of Italian immigrants in Scotland? If not, have a look, you'd be surprised....

... as to the other points, if I knew any Arabs, which I obviously don't, I'd say to you that some would quite like the odd roast dinner, others quite like the odd fish and chips and lets not forget that McDonalds operate in many muslim countries... Curry in a bun, memsahib?

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Coffee and tea yes - but soft drinks no - not in Spain anyway.

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It's dying away now, but there were a lot of Italian immigrants to the UK in the twentieth century, and they were often to be found as barbers, running cafes and restaurants, and yes fish and chip shops.

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Are you sure about that? Ok so my experience tends to be mainly in the cities, but I was often surprised that a coke would set me back 2 or 2.50 euros when a beer cost less.

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But the questio is:

Would muslims eat in a place that serves and prepares PIG products in the same kitchen as their halal meals?

I thought it was a simple question, and depending on the answer then one could have more of an opinion as to wether the business plan of going halal would be of any advantage for the business concerned.

Stop skiriting around the question, i am only asking from a business point of view.

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If that is true then fine but Stuboy is in the UK and I was sort of talking to them...

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A coke around here sells for 1.20 and costs 50c to buy. The margin on beer is very variable but on wines and spirits is very high. Food is the best.

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Acknowledged.

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You know what i meant, you are just trying to be smart, we are talking about Spain and the italian restaurant dont usually serve English style fish chips and mushies, but you know that already.

The point I was getting across is, although the Italian might give you fish and chips, to get the real stuff made in the range, it would usually have to be in an English place that specialises

horses for courses

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Nardinis are the best known example in Scotland I believe..

As for Muslims eating in a place that served pig products and alcohol - this is actually not a problem for many - but they tend to be from the Turkish/Kurdish community. I suspect Muslims from other areas, be it Arab countries or Pakistan etc., would be less tolerant.