JLFS

So did I think that we were talking about the future traveller.

Not muslims in the Edgeware road, who eat fried chicken and chips and baked beans on toast because they are British.

Some posters dont get it though.

Domino

so what if you are Jewish and are not adherent ?

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steviedeluxe

I'll repeat for your benefit: Many of the Muslims you'll see on the Edgware Road are in traditional dress and not people I'd assume as westernised. I could be wrong though.

I live quite close to that street, and when I walk down I hear a lot of different languages. I'm told that a lot are exiles and political activists who are biding their time because of regime change back home etc. They are generally not British Muslims in the sense you talk about (eg Pakistani migrants).

stuboy

Indeed it could, I am not arguing this point. My point is can you mix both?

steviedeluxe

Nando's in the UK seem to think so

http://www.nandos.co.uk/faq/does-nan...-halal-chicken

But I suspect (for reasons given above) it wouldn't work where pork products were served.

stuboy

Then you will know the pub "The olde English Gentleman" on the corner as I do. No traditionally dressed Muslim ever ventured through the doors they were however no stranger to the Off-Licence a few doors up. Keeping up appearances is the game for many.

steviedeluxe

I think that pub closed a few years back, before I moved to the area.
And yes, there are plenty of Muslims who will take a drink, but not in open view.

JLFS

That is what I am asking about, I admit I am not an authority on muslins UK, Spanish or otherwise, there are some on here or appear to be, that is why I as kf it is compatible to serve halal meat in a restaurant where pork dishes are served.

Domino

try looking at the question more openly, and include Jews in that, as followers of Islam are actually a branch of Judaism, having copied the strictures and scriptures. They also see Abraham and Jesus as prophets.

the main difference between halal and kashrut is the jews do not say the name of god over each animal slaughtered.
as I understand it most of the animals are on the two lists although kashrut only allows cloven hooves.
sunni's, who comprise the majority of muslims, also follow the jewish way of only eating fish with scales and fins, whilst other parts of the muslim religion allow all types of fish.

so to a greater extent the problem is solved, in that Jews and Muslims could be served the same food.
what is not resolved is whether it is acceptable to have only one prep/cooking area where non approved foods are also cooked. Where "contamination" could occur.

think of it as you would peanuts in the same processing plant.

Domino

yes, and look forward to it in the privacy of their own homes or hotel rooms but always in moderation.

I worked for a UK company and dealt with their Saudi agents.
they had a great interest in fine wines, single malts, which were used as bribes - along with bullet proof vests and kevlar helmets for private use.

JLFS

I am asking about halal food and pork, not about jews and muslims eating the same food.

rugbymatt

Do you ever get the impression this thread is a little beyond your scope for understanding? I only ask because you are not actually discussing it, just trying to pick a fight?

Domino

but swine is prohibited by both sets of laws, as I said earlier it would be difficult to ensure perfect non-contamination bearing in mind the small prep/cooking areas in most restaurants - unless it was possible to cook the food offsite in an approved manner.

would a different set of untensils and pots/pans have to be used ??

JLFS

to quote the words of a forum regluar;

If I knew any muslims, which I dont, I could ask them, but as I dont, I cant ................

rugbymatt

By that rationale vegetarians should stop eating food in restaurants that cook meat right? I know plenty on kitchens who are more than aware of the social sensitivities of vegetarians and run their kitchens on a professional basis accordingly.


As I have said, this is not becoming law people, its not being forced on the good, Christian folk of the world but if you are a struggling restaurant or bar in Spain, why not cash in? If I had somewhere I would be turning it into a halal friendly place and would be advertising where I could!