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Madridboy Feb 16th 2010 2:49 pm

War?
 
You are an Expat, the country you are from has just gone to war with the country you now reside in.
How do you feel about it (not about war in general but this war)?

You are now told that you must fight for the country you are in or return to the country you are from.
What do you do?

cricketman Feb 16th 2010 3:04 pm

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Originally Posted by Madridboy (Post 8347236)
You are an Expat, the country you are from has just gone to war with the country you now reside in.
How do you feel about it (not about war in general but this war)?

You are now told that you must fight for the country you are in or return to the country you are from.
What do you do?

For me it would depend on the reasons for the war. I would fight for the side who's reasons I believed in.

But first of all, I would do my best not to fight, wars are a fools game usually designed to make the rich richer :)

JLFS Feb 16th 2010 3:15 pm

Re: War?
 

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8347293)
For me it would depend on the reasons for the war. I would fight for the side who's reasons I believed in.

But first of all, I would do my best not to fight, wars are a fools game usually designed to make the rich richer :)

I would second that, I would weigh up the reason for the war, and then make the choice, as to what steps í would take next.

icharus Feb 16th 2010 3:51 pm

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I'd third it !

For example, I'm pretty loyal to the UK, however if a circumstance occured, such as a Hitler type figure coming to power,(in the UK), and the war was one of naked aggression, then clearly that type of thing has to be resisted.

However, if the war was one for resources, then I'd be more reticent.

If the war was one of naked aggression against the UK, then barring internment, I'm afraid were into 5th column territory !

The question is certainly an interesting one, probing as it does into immigrant loyalties. It takes the "which cricket team" question one step further.

What about divided family loyalties, with children born into the adopted country going one way, and the parents another.

Where do you stand, Madridboy ?

jdr Feb 16th 2010 4:25 pm

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You would have no choice, you would be imprisoned for the duration of the war. ;)

Madridboy Feb 16th 2010 4:36 pm

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Originally Posted by icharus (Post 8347471)
I'd third it !

For example, I'm pretty loyal to the UK, however if a circumstance occured, such as a Hitler type figure coming to power,(in the UK), and the war was one of naked aggression, then clearly that type of thing has to be resisted.

However, if the war was one for resources, then I'd be more reticent.

If the war was one of naked aggression against the UK, then barring internment, I'm afraid were into 5th column territory !

The question is certainly an interesting one, probing as it does into immigrant loyalties. It takes the "which cricket team" question one step further.

What about divided family loyalties, with children born into the adopted country going one way, and the parents another.

Where do you stand, Madridboy ?

lol, I already know my answer but I'll push it a bit further before I reply.

For whatever your reasons, you´ve decided to fight against your country of birth & upbringing, now against all odds you find yourself line of sight against a family member, friend, etc. You now have to make a decision to shoot or face the possibility of being shot. This could be in the country you are now in or in the country you were born and raised.
What do you do?

sparkplug Feb 16th 2010 5:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Madridboy (Post 8347647)
lol, I already know my answer but I'll push it a bit further before I reply.

For whatever your reasons, you´ve decided to fight against your country of birth & upbringing, now against all odds you find yourself line of sight against a family member, friend, etc. You now have to make a decision to shoot or face the possibility of being shot. This could be in the country you are now in or in the country you were born and raised.
What do you do?

Shoot first. And hopefully have the bigger gun and be the better aim.

bil Feb 16th 2010 8:20 pm

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Who was it that said, 'If came to the choice of betraying my friend or betraying my country, I pray to god I might have the moral strength to betray my country.

You would need to differentiate between country and government, because your government will screw you over in an instant.

Ka Ora! Feb 16th 2010 9:39 pm

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Originally Posted by jdr (Post 8347616)
You would have no choice, you would be imprisoned for the duration of the war. ;)

Only Politically Correct countries take prisoners and no one is politically correct at heart, The rest don't even wait for you to put your hands up. You would have to consider leaving the country of residence quite a while before war was declared. Anyone that thinks that the host nation would treat them fairly is taking too many pink fairy pills:blink:

Dick Dasterdly Feb 16th 2010 9:48 pm

Re: War?
 
Reckon I'd be on my bike PDQ.
B*gger that for a game of soldiers,..gettin too old for that lark....
....though wouldnt mind sitting a top of a hill and popping a few of the opposition off first, with my hi-velocity rifle and scope.....
Always like to keep my eye in...:sneaky:

bil Feb 17th 2010 9:05 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 8348607)
Reckon I'd be on my bike PDQ.
B*gger that for a game of soldiers,..gettin too old for that lark....
....though wouldnt mind sitting a top of a hill and popping a few of the opposition off first, with my hi-velocity rifle and scope.....
Always like to keep my eye in...:sneaky:

Remember to consider if there isn't someone up on the hill behind you......

Veleta Feb 17th 2010 11:20 am

Re: War?
 
Here is a watered down version of the same question:

Spain is playing against England (Scotland or wherever) in the World Cup final. Who do you support?


(When I was still living in England, but desiring to be in Spain I always supported Spain. Now I live in Spain I would support England. Not sure why really!).

cricketman Feb 17th 2010 11:23 am

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Originally Posted by Veleta (Post 8350397)
Here is a watered down version of the same question:

Spain is playing against England (Scotland or wherever) in the World Cup final. Who do you support?

The last couple of years I've watched just about every Spanish game. I support them becuase I enjoy how they play and have amazing players. They are playing some of the best football I've ever seen.

Whenever I watch England they are poor and play ugly football. And Rooney is their only good player.

So Spain for me! But I could change my allegance over time :)

Dick Dasterdly Feb 17th 2010 12:22 pm

Re: War?
 

Originally Posted by Veleta (Post 8350397)
Here is a watered down version of the same question:
Spain is playing against England (Scotland or wherever) in the World Cup final. Who do you support?

Ah,..if you're talking football,now thats a much more serious affair altogether!

To be serious, although Englands my no.1...I wouldn't mind too much Spain winning,....but the Jocks thats something else altogether.
Lord forbid that they should win,..they'd declare a national holiday and still be celebrating in 200 years time,..they still harp on about that fluke win at Wembley over 40 years ago...:rofl:

bil Feb 17th 2010 6:20 pm

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I certainly wouldn't support Scotland. Or Wales, or Ireland.

I have just heard one too many times 'Anyone but England!'

That's why with Andy Murray, for me everytime it's 'Anyone but the Scot.'

simon2129 Feb 17th 2010 6:31 pm

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Originally Posted by bil (Post 8351722)
I certainly wouldn't support Scotland. Or Wales, or Ireland.

I have just heard one too many times 'Anyone but England!'

That's why with Andy Murray, for me everytime it's 'Anyone but the Scot.'

bil i agree ,and for me cannot stand the sweaty sock

jimenato Feb 17th 2010 7:25 pm

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Originally Posted by bil (Post 8351722)
I certainly wouldn't support Scotland. Or Wales, or Ireland.

I have just heard one too many times 'Anyone but England!'

That's why with Andy Murray, for me everytime it's 'Anyone but the Scot.'

Are you me?

My preferred final table for the 6 nations:

England
Italy
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland

I used to be different but I have succumbed to intolerable Celtic pressure.

steviedeluxe Feb 17th 2010 9:13 pm

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Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 8351864)
Are you me?

My preferred final table for the 6 nations:

England
Italy
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland

I used to be different but I have succumbed to intolerable Celtic pressure.

I'm afraid rugby union is the one sport where I never cheer on the national (English) side. They always seem to play boring possession stuff. The Wales team of the 70s were great to watch (shame the Welsh were so triumphalistic about it though). I'm quite happy to cheer on the Welsh or even Scots, when they play England nowadays. But only at rugby.

jdr Feb 18th 2010 8:23 am

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Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 8352192)
I'm afraid rugby union is the one sport where I never cheer on the national (English) side. They always seem to play boring possession stuff. The Wales team of the 70s were great to watch (shame the Welsh were so triumphalistic about it though). I'm quite happy to cheer on the Welsh or even Scots, when they play England nowadays. But only at rugby.

Buy a bigger TV, you will see more action then. :lol:
I thought possesion was the name of the game, you only lose if the other team get the ball. :lol:

fionamw Feb 18th 2010 8:43 am

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Originally Posted by jdr (Post 8353597)
Buy a bigger TV, you will see more action then. :lol:
I thought possesion was the name of the game, you only lose if the other team get the ball. :lol:

I could never put France or Italy above Wales or England.... gets a bit stressed in our family when Argentina plays England at anything (football, rugby, anything) because we have Arg in the blood too:eek: (mind you, Arg. football shirts go down well in Malaga!!)

bil Feb 18th 2010 9:58 am

Re: War?
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 8351864)
Are you me?

My preferred final table for the 6 nations:

England
Italy
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland

I used to be different but I have succumbed to intolerable Celtic pressure.

Yeah, but for me I'd sooner make it the three nations, or else trade the last three for something better like Libya or North Korea

rugbymatt Feb 18th 2010 12:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Ka Ora! (Post 8348585)
Only Politically Correct countries take prisoners and no one is politically correct at heart, The rest don't even wait for you to put your hands up. You would have to consider leaving the country of residence quite a while before war was declared. Anyone that thinks that the host nation would treat them fairly is taking too many pink fairy pills:blink:

Yeah but to be fair Jas, if England and France actually went to war again you would not have to worry about it being a long one would you?

rugbymatt Feb 18th 2010 12:02 pm

Re: War?
 

Originally Posted by bil (Post 8351722)
I certainly wouldn't support Scotland. Or Wales, or Ireland.

I have just heard one too many times 'Anyone but England!'

That's why with Andy Murray, for me everytime it's 'Anyone but the Scot.'


Originally Posted by simon2129 (Post 8351746)
bil i agree ,and for me cannot stand the sweaty sock


Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 8351864)
Are you me?

My preferred final table for the 6 nations:

England
Italy
France
Ireland
Wales
Scotland

I used to be different but I have succumbed to intolerable Celtic pressure.


Originally Posted by bil (Post 8353835)
Yeah, but for me I'd sooner make it the three nations, or else trade the last three for something better like Libya or North Korea

Oh deary me....

Ka Ora! Feb 18th 2010 2:45 pm

Re: War?
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 8354177)
Yeah but to be fair Jas, if England and France actually went to war again you would not have to worry about it being a long one would you?

What do you mean again, We are at WAR NOW:lol: Im under cover;)

Sam Greenfield Feb 18th 2010 3:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Ka Ora! (Post 8354684)
What do you mean again, We are at WAR NOW:lol: Im under cover;)


Do you dress up in all that sexy kharki stuff K :wub: :wub: :wub:

Ka Ora! Feb 18th 2010 5:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Sam Greenfield (Post 8354721)
Do you dress up in all that sexy kharki stuff K :wub: :wub: :wub:

More of a Flecktarn man myself, Mines a Leibermuster.

Although a gal in Digicam can have me anyday:wub:

Sam Greenfield Feb 18th 2010 5:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Ka Ora! (Post 8355084)
More of a Flecktarn man myself, Mines a Leibermuster.


What :confused: :o

Ka Ora! Feb 18th 2010 8:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Sam Greenfield (Post 8355086)
What :confused: :o

Its an Army thing:blink: More over a type of Camouflage it is different to normal boring camoflage:blink:

rugbymatt Feb 18th 2010 8:24 pm

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Its no use, I've gotta do it....



rugbymatt Feb 18th 2010 8:24 pm

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Mitzy still has a suit just like that!

Ka Ora! Feb 19th 2010 8:42 am

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Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 8355528)
Its no use, I've gotta do it....


http://youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk

Go faster stripes, Does he carry them on to the car?

Sam Greenfield Feb 19th 2010 9:02 am

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Originally Posted by Ka Ora! (Post 8355524)
Its an Army thing:blink: More over a type of Camouflage it is different to normal boring camoflage:blink:


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh youll have to post picis now :wub: :lol:

Ka Ora! Feb 19th 2010 8:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Sam Greenfield (Post 8357068)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh youll have to post picis now :wub: :lol:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_i...d/MIL-2115.jpg

Ma lady;)

Sam Greenfield Feb 19th 2010 8:20 pm

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Originally Posted by Ka Ora! (Post 8358731)

Im sooooooooooooo disappointed right now :( :lol:

spartacus Feb 19th 2010 8:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Ka Ora! (Post 8358731)

Is that an original Laura Ashley pattern?


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