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Old Sep 25th 2015, 11:26 pm
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Switzerland Bans VW Car Sales Over Emissions

Will other countries do likewise ?

Surely all cars known to be illegal should be taken off the road until they comply with the law.
There must be millions of legal cars new and secondhand in dealers throughout Europe which could be loaned out meanwhile.


"Meanwhile, it has emerged EU officials knew devices able to skew exhaust readings were being used five years ago and the European Commission was warned about their dangers two years ago.

The devices were banned by European legislation in 2007, making it a legal responsibility for the national testing authorities to enforce the ban - indicating Germany failed to uphold EU law."

So much for EU laws.
Happy to knowingly allow Germany to continue to flout the law for eight years and maybe more ?

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Guess what car I am expecting delivery of very soon.
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Old Sep 26th 2015, 5:43 am
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Guess what car I am expecting delivery of very soon.
If it isn't legal you surely have a good case for cancelling it or else renegotiating the deal.
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The fact that it was ignored is a surprise? VW employs lots and lots of European taxpayers. That alone is good cause for ignoring "insignificant" little violations.

When was it, 86? When WV threatened to move everything to south Africa if they didn't get tax breaks amounting to the equivalent of zero taxes. They do, after all, employ lots and lots of European taxpayers who pay amongst the world's highest taxes.
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"Insignificant little violations" ?
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
Switzerland Bans VW Car Sales Over Emissions

Will other countries do likewise ?
I don't understand the figures they are quoting that 180000 cars will be affected. All cars manufactured since 1st September 2015 will meet the euro6 emissions standard and Switzerland is happy with those cars. All cars already registered with the suspect engine (which only meets the eoro5 standard) are OK, so where are they going to find this mythical 1800000 old cars which have not yet been registered? They would need huge fields full of last year's models waiting to be sold - that doesn't seem likely!
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Guess what car I am expecting delivery of very soon.
If it's a new VAG car, it is almost certain to conform to the new euro6 emission regs so it is not affected. The (very old) engine that gave all these problems has been replaced with an entirely new engine which was designed from scratch to meet the new regs. The old engine was never designed for this which is why they had to frig the ECU to enable it to do so.

The big problem facing owners of these old engines is that they will be recalled and the "hack" removed from the ECU so that they will then meet the emission standards under normal road use as opposed to only under test conditions. The problem is, that with all the stringent emission controls in place on the road, the performance of the car will be seriously downgraded and the fuel consumption will be much higher.
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Originally Posted by Fred James
I don't understand the figures they are quoting that 180000 cars will be affected. All cars manufactured since 1st September 2015 will meet the euro6 emissions standard and Switzerland is happy with those cars. All cars already registered with the suspect engine (which only meets the eoro5 standard) are OK, so where are they going to find this mythical 1800000 old cars which have not yet been registered? They would need huge fields full of last year's models waiting to be sold - that doesn't seem likely!
You are quoting two different figures Fred, the second one seems a bit extreme for number of unregistered cars.

The only figure I have seen refers to eleven million cars worldwide,
possibly some of them as yet unregistered ?

I see also that the half million sold in the U.S. are not included in that figure.

Ironically the 2009 VW Jetta which is also affected, was voted the clean green car of the year in the U.S.

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Originally Posted by Fred James

The big problem facing owners of these old engines is that they will be recalled and the "hack" removed from the ECU so that they will then meet the emission standards under normal road use as opposed to only under test conditions. The problem is, that with all the stringent emission controls in place on the road, the performance of the car will be seriously downgraded and the fuel consumption will be much higher.
I wondered about that because I always got the impression that most VW diesels had a bit more poke than most others, but I suppose that's the reason why and on a level playing field they probably weren't any better at all.
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Originally Posted by Fred James
All cars manufactured since 1st September 2015 will meet the euro6 emissions standard
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If it's a new VAG car, it is almost certain to conform to the new euro6 emission regs so it is not affected..
Fred how does one determine when the cutoff was, or how do you identify the newer engine?
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Did Angela Merkel cover up Volkswagen emissions scandal? | Daily Mail Online

Interesting and informative article.
Apparently the Labour govt were pushing the sale of diesels back in the 90s believing they were cleaner.

Who knows how much Merkel knew, but it was mentioned today that she'd been in touch with Cameron asking him not to put the block on VW sales.
No doubt one good turn deserves another, we shall see.
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
You are quoting two different figures Fred, the second one seems a bit extreme for number of unregistered cars.
This was the info I quoted.

Volkswagen models sale halted in Switzerland - BBC News
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
"Insignificant little violations" ?
Well, as EMR says, it's only a violation if you get caught.
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Fred how does one determine when the cutoff was, or how do you identify the newer engine?
The euro6 regs came into force on 1/9/2014. All new models had to comply from that date. On 1/9/2015 every car leaving the factory after that date must comply.

The old engine was type E189 and that has been replaced in most cases with a brand new design, type EA288 which meets the euro6 without the need for cheating. It's not obvious what engine you would have in a car made in the last year or so, exactly what model have you ordered?
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VW Golf Highline 2.0 tdi 150 bhp 6 speed DSG - 5 door

It was manufactured in the last week in August.
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