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Old Jun 2nd 2010, 10:28 am
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Not just the Mayor...the Police stood by and did nothing. Institutionalised cruelty. Everyone of those guys in the video should be sent into a bullring alone with a real fighting bull
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Old Jun 2nd 2010, 10:56 am
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Educated is something that you most definitely are not, so when I want your advice I´ll ask for it thanks- You have obviously failed to register the facts so I suggest to you, you go away and think about it a bit more.
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I can't make an observation about the video or the link as I have not seen them. Regarding the attitude of the Spanish people to cruelty to animals, or the use of chemicals, or the value of the Euro, or the price of beer, or anything, generalisation does no-one in a sensible debate any favours. I don't imagine 'all Spanish people' do, or feel, any one thing (apart, I suppose, from 'being/feeling' Spanish...) any more than all British people do. I sometimes generalise but usually explain myself, or attempt an amusing caveat, or whatever. Generalising in totality about a nationality is asking for trouble.
If the video, and behaviours, are as described, it is an appalling demonstration of the behaviour of those people at that time and possibly there's a case for saying the organisers could/should have been more careful with directing events. As to what should happen to them/the Mayor, well that's down to the Spanish justice system. Some may wish that would be harder on them, but we don't know any outcome yet so let's wait and see.

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Old Jun 2nd 2010, 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by fionamw
I can't make an observation about the video or the link as I have not seen them. Regarding the attitude of the Spanish people to cruelty to animals, or the use of chemicals, or the value of the Euro, or the price of beer, or anything, generalisation does no-one in a sensible debate any favours. I don't imagine 'all Spanish people' do, or feel, any one thing (apart, I suppose, from 'being/feeling' Spanish...) any more than all British people do. I sometimes generalise but usually explain myself, or attempt an amusing caveat, or whatever. Generalising in totality about a nationality is asking for trouble.
If the video, and behaviours, are as described, it is an appalling demonstration of the behaviour of those people at that time and possibly there's a case for saying the organisers could/should have been more careful with directing events. As to what should happen to them/the Mayor, well that's down to the Spanish justice system. Some may wish that would be harder on them, but we don't know any outcome yet so let's wait and see.
I agree to a great deal of what you say however I cannot put such cruetly on the same parr as the price of beer or the state of the euro considering the institutions which took part in and organised the event or/and stood by and did nothing whilst these poor defenceless, entirely innocent animals were hammered to death! One of the outcomes IS the reaction of people to this shocking and dreadful event taking place in front of a live audience, the implications are appauling ie how did such an event get organised in the first place etc, etc. even without the brutality involved!
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Originally Posted by surreygirl
I agree to a great deal of what you say however I cannot put such cruetly on the same parr as the price of beer or the state of the euro considering the institutions which took part in and organised the event or/and stood by and did nothing whilst these poor defenceless, entirely innocent animals were hammered to death! One of the outcomes IS the reaction of people to this shocking and dreadful event taking place in front of a live audience, the implications are appauling ie how did such an event get organised in the first place etc, etc. even without the brutality involved!
What, you've never heard of a corredor de toros? How long have you lived in Spain? They are part of half the fiestas in the country.

Let me repeat, the idea is to run with the bulls, not beat them up!
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Old Jun 2nd 2010, 11:48 am
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This made me smile
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Old Jun 2nd 2010, 12:28 pm
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Originally Posted by cricketman
What, you've never heard of a corredor de toros? How long have you lived in Spain? They are part of half the fiestas in the country.

Let me repeat, the idea is to run with the bulls, not beat them up!
I must hand it to you, you do seem to keep missing the point!
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Old Jun 2nd 2010, 12:34 pm
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I must hand it to you, you do seem to keep missing the point!
What is the point then because I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Some thugs beat up a little cow, the event was not organised to do this, although as others have said the policemen should have intervened earlier.

Beating up young cows is not a common or traditional event in Spain which is why this scandel made the news headlines IN SPAIN. Running with them and "fighting" them in an organised way with a matador is common.

Saying you want to leave Spain because of one event is ridiculous

You may as well say you want to leave a country every time someone gets murdered or someone crashes their car.

Or maybe you want to renounce your British nationality when you see British football hooligans behaving the way these young lads did with the bull, to other human beings! or when British mothers murder their kids in Spanish holiday resorts?
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
Not just the Mayor...the Police stood by and did nothing. Institutionalised cruelty. Everyone of those guys in the video should be sent into a bullring alone with a real fighting bull
Yes I think that would be an appropriate sentence for those cruel individuals involved. Very unpleasant viewing and not good for Spain.
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Old Jun 2nd 2010, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by cricketman
It was in the incredibly uncivilised Alhaurin El Grande!

It is despicable behaviour, the mayor has said they wont let the vaquillas loose in the ring again and the young men caught doing it have been arrested.

I know a couple of people who live in AEG who have their cars vandalised and house broken into on a regular basis. By all accounts, not the best of areas!
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with abhorrence of what happened in the Plaza del Toros over the weekend, I cannot let this act cast a pall over the whole of AEG, as you seem happy to do.

AEG is a nice, Spanish, place to live. I am aware there have been problems in the past but in my experience it is a great place, full of character. I was at the festivities on Saturday (although not at the bull ring) showing my parents around a traditional Spanish Feria for the first time. No problems. No drunken fighting in the streets, no intimidation, no acts of indecency, no rubbish on the streets!!.

My house has never been vandalized, my car had never been broken into. I have never been treated with anything but a smile and an attempt to patiently put up with my slowly improving Spanish. The shocking incidents in Cumbria today (poor analogy, for which I apologize) do not make whole swathes of this area a dangerous place to live.

Please, if you are planning on visiting us in AEG, or making it a place to live (infinitely preferable to the Costa I can assure you), don`t let the actions of a few idiots cloud your judgement of the town.
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Old Jun 2nd 2010, 9:35 pm
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I have heard that there are fights every Saturday night! Can't leave anything out or it gets stolen...even a gas bottle. Haven't lived there so I don't know but in my view not one of the prettiest pueblos.
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Old Jun 2nd 2010, 9:37 pm
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
I have heard that there are fights every Saturday night! Can't leave anything out or it gets stolen...even a gas bottle. Haven't lived there so I don't know but in my view not one of the prettiest pueblos.
I must be living in a different Alhaurin El Grande then I have been here a year and am yet to see a fight.
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Old Jun 2nd 2010, 10:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Zaragozaram
I must be living in a different Alhaurin El Grande then I have been here a year and am yet to see a fight.

There was a fight after the Feria on Saturday night in El Grande. My sons friend ended up with a black eye, cuts and bruises and he's not the fighting type, he just couldnt run fast enough apparently

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Old Jun 3rd 2010, 8:44 am
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The only way I can deal with bullfighting and bull running is to remove myself from the situation immediately. If it appears on my television I switch it off, and if it appears on someone elses I walk away.

I was having a meal in a busy Spanish bar recently when it was shown on TV and I walked out, and I wasn’t the only one, and the others were Spanish.

It’s one aspect of Spanish life that I don’t like, and many Spanish people agree with me.

(I don’t like fox hunting either, but it can’t be compared).
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Old Jun 3rd 2010, 9:54 am
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(I don’t like fox hunting either, but it can’t be compared).


Why not?
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