Travelling alone with Libro de Familiar, UK passport, without ES wife
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Travelling alone with Libro de Familiar, UK passport, without ES wife
I have a UK passport, my wife is Spanish. We plan to stay in Spain for 180 days pa (so not ES tax resident). I sometimes will need to travel alone to UK. Can I travel alone with our Libro de Familiar (we married in Spain)? If not is there other documentation I can get to travel alone?
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Even if I exceed the 90 days in 180, which I plan to do?
We would stay in Spain Oct-Mar but I would like to return to the UK alone sometimes in that period.
We would stay in Spain Oct-Mar but I would like to return to the UK alone sometimes in that period.
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So many are forgetting this law/rule
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Re: Travelling alone with Libro de Familiar, UK passport, without ES wife
I have a UK passport, my wife is Spanish. We plan to stay in Spain for 180 days pa (so not ES tax resident). I sometimes will need to travel alone to UK. Can I travel alone with our Libro de Familiar (we married in Spain)? If not is there other documentation I can get to travel alone?
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Reading this, I would go for...
Marriage certificate. If it's British, with the Hague Apostille and even better with an official translation, but you said you got married in Spain so you can get an official copy from the Registro Civil.
Photocopy of your wife's DNI/Passport, notarised.
But even so, I think that would only allow you to join her if she's already in Spain.
Also when travelling alone the documents may or may not be accepted or you may or may not be stamped in/out depending on how the border police interprets the rules and then you may have been deemed to overstay.
Although you can travel round the EU with your wife, saying for more than 90 days in Spain means you both need to be residents.
Marriage certificate. If it's British, with the Hague Apostille and even better with an official translation, but you said you got married in Spain so you can get an official copy from the Registro Civil.
Photocopy of your wife's DNI/Passport, notarised.
But even so, I think that would only allow you to join her if she's already in Spain.
Also when travelling alone the documents may or may not be accepted or you may or may not be stamped in/out depending on how the border police interprets the rules and then you may have been deemed to overstay.
Although you can travel round the EU with your wife, saying for more than 90 days in Spain means you both need to be residents.
Last edited by DLC; May 24th 2023 at 11:48 am.
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It would be safer and easier if you could just stick together in Spain for the 180 days. As others have said, make sure you have your marriage certificate with you when travelling.
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Is your wife resident in Spain?
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Surely if the OPs wife is a Spanish citizen residency will not be an issue? The requirement to pay tax could be for a stay over 183 days. If she's a citizen 3rd country rules don't apply to her in her home country. Just same as UK citizens have the right to return and live in the UK without needing to obtain residency or other permission. They must however comply with other rules/laws such as tax compliance
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Surely if the OPs wife is a Spanish citizen residency will not be an issue? The requirement to pay tax could be for a stay over 183 days. If she's a citizen 3rd country rules don't apply to her in her home country. Just same as UK citizens have the right to return and live in the UK without needing to obtain residency or other permission. They must however comply with other rules/laws such as tax compliance
The 90/180 day rule is a Schengen rule and again, as long as they are travelling together, they have free movement in the Schengen zone and can come and go as often as they like.
This might be helpful:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/147/free-movement-of-persons
Basically, freedom of movement for EU nationals and their dependents is god!
Last edited by Lou71; May 25th 2023 at 1:29 pm.
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Re: Travelling alone with Libro de Familiar, UK passport, without ES wife
I agree, the OP is married to a Spaniard and as long as they are together, they can stay in Spain for 183 days without becoming tax resident.
The 90/180 day rule is a Schengen rule and again, as long as they are travelling together, they have free movement in the Schengen zone and can come and go as often as they like.
This might be helpful:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/facts...ent-of-persons
Basically, freedom of movement for EU nationals and their dependents is god!
The 90/180 day rule is a Schengen rule and again, as long as they are travelling together, they have free movement in the Schengen zone and can come and go as often as they like.
This might be helpful:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/facts...ent-of-persons
Basically, freedom of movement for EU nationals and their dependents is god!
As UK resident, UK passport holder, his passport should be stamped on entry/exit to the Schengen area, whether he is travelling with his Spanish wife or not. It would be difficult for the border officials in any of the Schengen entry/exit points to differentiate his status from any other UK passport holder.
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The O/P is asking if he can legally stay longer than 90 days and then travel in/out of the Schengen area alone.
As UK resident, UK passport holder, his passport should be stamped on entry/exit to the Schengen area, whether he is travelling with his Spanish wife or not. It would be difficult for the border officials in any of the Schengen entry/exit points to differentiate his status from any other UK passport holder.
As UK resident, UK passport holder, his passport should be stamped on entry/exit to the Schengen area, whether he is travelling with his Spanish wife or not. It would be difficult for the border officials in any of the Schengen entry/exit points to differentiate his status from any other UK passport holder.
He and his wife (who is a Spaniard) can stay in Spain for 183 days unhindered as long as they are together though.
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I agree, the OP is married to a Spaniard and as long as they are together, they can stay in Spain for 183 days without becoming tax resident.
The 90/180 day rule is a Schengen rule and again, as long as they are travelling together, they have free movement in the Schengen zone and can come and go as often as they like.
This might be helpful:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/facts...ent-of-persons
Basically, freedom of movement for EU nationals and their dependents is god!
The 90/180 day rule is a Schengen rule and again, as long as they are travelling together, they have free movement in the Schengen zone and can come and go as often as they like.
This might be helpful:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/facts...ent-of-persons
Basically, freedom of movement for EU nationals and their dependents is god!
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An EU family member card requires you to stay six months per year in Spain, there's the tax thing at 183 days so if you could time every Spanish visit to be 181 or 182 days...
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Yes, thanks for confirming what I was thinking. Seems like the best way for me to be able to travel alone is to apply for an EU family member card and spend 181-182 days pa in Spain.