Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > Europe > Spain
Reload this Page >

Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Old Nov 17th 2011, 6:55 pm
  #166  
BE Enthusiast
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Location: Coventry
Posts: 437
Kath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to all
Default Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

I thought that what had been announced was the fact that the charges are to increase from the 1st Jan; so that they have actually been increased before they have even been implemented.

Kath
Kath Las Colinas is offline  
Old Dec 12th 2011, 10:50 am
  #167  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
EsuriJohn's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Location: Puente Esuri
Posts: 6,896
EsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond repute
Smile Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

How the charges are made.
Attached Thumbnails Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro-a22-toll-charges-3.jpg  
EsuriJohn is offline  
Old Dec 12th 2011, 7:50 pm
  #168  
Forum Regular
 
P.TINKS's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 80
P.TINKS has a brilliant futureP.TINKS has a brilliant futureP.TINKS has a brilliant futureP.TINKS has a brilliant futureP.TINKS has a brilliant futureP.TINKS has a brilliant future
Default Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Esuri - Faro Airport. 11.24 Euros return, prepayment at new toll booth near police post.
P.TINKS is offline  
Old Dec 12th 2011, 8:27 pm
  #169  
Just Joined
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 25
JT01 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Originally Posted by P.TINKS View Post
Esuri - Faro Airport. 11.24 Euros return, prepayment at new toll booth near police post.
WOW do you mean at the old border point at the bridge on the Portugese side? How is that working? Do you just tell them which junction your driving to and they charge you accordingly, and presumably if you go beyond the junction you've paid for then charges will be applied back to the car hire company? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm one of many who are happy to pay, just can't be doing with the hassle of hiring and then pre-loading the transponder.
JT01 is offline  
Old Dec 13th 2011, 8:03 am
  #170  
Forum Regular
 
P.TINKS's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 80
P.TINKS has a brilliant futureP.TINKS has a brilliant futureP.TINKS has a brilliant futureP.TINKS has a brilliant futureP.TINKS has a brilliant futureP.TINKS has a brilliant future
Default Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Originally Posted by JT01 View Post
WOW do you mean at the old border point at the bridge on the Portugese side? How is that working? Do you just tell them which junction your driving to and they charge you accordingly, and presumably if you go beyond the junction you've paid for then charges will be applied back to the car hire company? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm one of many who are happy to pay, just can't be doing with the hassle of hiring and then pre-loading the transponder.
Yes, there is a machine in the lay-by next to the police post. You have to use a credit card to pay for your trip ie. to Faro Airport 11.24. return.You enter your destination, car reg, date of return, card details, & that`s basically it.I dont know how hire cars are affected as I use my own .
P.TINKS is offline  
Old Dec 22nd 2011, 9:01 am
  #171  
BE Positive
 
Jon-Bxl's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,908
Jon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Originally Posted by P.TINKS View Post
Yes, there is a machine in the lay-by next to the police post. You have to use a credit card to pay for your trip ie. to Faro Airport 11.24. return.You enter your destination, car reg, date of return, card details, & that`s basically it.I dont know how hire cars are affected as I use my own .
we have a few paralell threads - heres what I posted on another

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...&postcount=101
Jon-Bxl is offline  
Old Dec 27th 2011, 5:50 pm
  #172  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Fredbargate's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Location: Land of no recession
Posts: 10,500
Fredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Originally Posted by John & Kath View Post
THATS THE WAY IT WORKS AND JUST LIKE UK they write to the owner who has to pay the fine or give details of the driver (covers loan and hire vehicles). Also new law/rules has just been passed by Europe which will give them access to DVLA information. This law has to be adopted by each member state however UK has an excellent record in rapid adoption and enforcement of EU law.
I read this online today in what was my local UK paper

New European Union rules will soon allow police from one country to fine the registered owner of a car from another country.

But the UK has not signed up to the change because, under the law here, the person held responsible for the offence is the driver, not the registered keeper.


I wonder how that would work if you hire with two or more drivers?

Full article here
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/70...ail/story.html
Fredbargate is offline  
Old Dec 27th 2011, 8:17 pm
  #173  
jdr
RETIRED ;-))
 
jdr's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Location: Benalmadena Pueblo,Spain
Posts: 20,156
jdr has a reputation beyond reputejdr has a reputation beyond reputejdr has a reputation beyond reputejdr has a reputation beyond reputejdr has a reputation beyond reputejdr has a reputation beyond reputejdr has a reputation beyond reputejdr has a reputation beyond reputejdr has a reputation beyond reputejdr has a reputation beyond reputejdr has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
I read this online today in what was my local UK paper

New European Union rules will soon allow police from one country to fine the registered owner of a car from another country.

But the UK has not signed up to the change because, under the law here, the person held responsible for the offence is the driver, not the registered keeper.


I wonder how that would work if you hire with two or more drivers?

Full article here
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/70...ail/story.html
The driver will get collared, if you hire the car out you are required to give the driver/drivers details at the time of the offence to the police, make sure you are second or third on the list. ;-))
jdr is offline  
Old Dec 30th 2011, 5:48 pm
  #174  
BE Enthusiast
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Location: Coventry
Posts: 437
Kath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to allKath Las Colinas is a name known to all
Default Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

We picked up our hire car from Faro airport on Tuesday and were told we could pay for our tolls at any Portuguese post office within 5 days. When we asked about the return journey we were advised to use the N125. We went to the border post today to try to pay there. We spoke to a very nice man who spoke very good English. He explained that you could buy a return ticket and put in whatever date for return that you wanted to. But when we told him we were in a Portuguese hire car he wouldn't let us pay anything. He said that his company was still in negotiations with the hire car companies and when we returned the car we should leave a note telling them how often we used the tolls. But in the meantime we shouldn't pay anything. I am not convinced ...
Kath
Kath Las Colinas is offline  
Old Jan 3rd 2012, 11:02 am
  #175  
BE Enthusiast
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Location: Ayamonte
Posts: 868
guesswork has a reputation beyond reputeguesswork has a reputation beyond reputeguesswork has a reputation beyond reputeguesswork has a reputation beyond reputeguesswork has a reputation beyond reputeguesswork has a reputation beyond reputeguesswork has a reputation beyond reputeguesswork has a reputation beyond reputeguesswork has a reputation beyond reputeguesswork has a reputation beyond reputeguesswork has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

I have just read this on the Portuguese Forum.


Taken from the Yor Car web site:

A22 TOLLS FOR ALGARVE CAR HIRE UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST 2011
The Algarve Car Rental Companies are obligated to identify the driver of each hire car passing by the toll road stations. The normal traffic fines will later be sent by post to the driver's address. There is also the possibility to pay the fines on any Portuguese Post Offices (CTT) 48 hours after passing the toll station, by informing the car plate and dates.

A22 TOLLS FOR ALGARVE CAR HIRE BETWEEN JANUARY 1ST AND JUNE 30TH 2012
All Algarve Car Rental Companies will be obligated to pay a 6 months permission to allow their cars to use freely the toll roads. For the car hire companies in Portugal, this will be mandatory. A special rule has been published on December 12th 2011, allowing Portuguese car rental companies to charge locally a tolls tax. This tax is predicted to be between 1.00 EUR and 3.00 EUR.

A22 TOLLS FOR ALGARVE CAR HIRE AFTER JULY 1ST 2012
All Algarve car rental vehicles will have to be equipped with an electronic device identify the car on the Algarve A22 tolls system. The clients will then have to provide valid a credit card and sign a contract with one of the companies in charge of the tolls charges (CTT) valid during the duration of the car hire contract. All toll charges eventually generated will be charged directly to the client's credit card. No charges will be made if the driver doesn't use any tolled roads. However, a mandatory rental charge for the electronic device is predicted around 0.60 EUR daily for all clients.



At least there seems to be some movement now
guesswork is offline  
Old Jan 3rd 2012, 11:11 am
  #176  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
EsuriJohn's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Location: Puente Esuri
Posts: 6,896
EsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond repute
Smile Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Originally Posted by guesswork View Post
I have just read this on the Portuguese Forum.


Taken from the Yor Car web site:

A22 TOLLS FOR ALGARVE CAR HIRE UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST 2011
The Algarve Car Rental Companies are obligated to identify the driver of each hire car passing by the toll road stations. The normal traffic fines will later be sent by post to the driver's address. There is also the possibility to pay the fines on any Portuguese Post Offices (CTT) 48 hours after passing the toll station, by informing the car plate and dates.

A22 TOLLS FOR ALGARVE CAR HIRE BETWEEN JANUARY 1ST AND JUNE 30TH 2012
All Algarve Car Rental Companies will be obligated to pay a 6 months permission to allow their cars to use freely the toll roads. For the car hire companies in Portugal, this will be mandatory. A special rule has been published on December 12th 2011, allowing Portuguese car rental companies to charge locally a tolls tax. This tax is predicted to be between 1.00 EUR and 3.00 EUR.

A22 TOLLS FOR ALGARVE CAR HIRE AFTER JULY 1ST 2012
All Algarve car rental vehicles will have to be equipped with an electronic device identify the car on the Algarve A22 tolls system. The clients will then have to provide valid a credit card and sign a contract with one of the companies in charge of the tolls charges (CTT) valid during the duration of the car hire contract. All toll charges eventually generated will be charged directly to the client's credit card. No charges will be made if the driver doesn't use any tolled roads. However, a mandatory rental charge for the electronic device is predicted around 0.60 EUR daily for all clients.



At least there seems to be some movement now
Could they have made it more complicated!
EsuriJohn is offline  
Old Jan 3rd 2012, 11:21 am
  #177  
BE Positive
 
Jon-Bxl's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,908
Jon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond reputeJon-Bxl has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Originally Posted by John & Kath View Post
Could they have made it more complicated!
Thanks Guesswork for the collation of the data......

And yes I agree with John about the complexity. However will it work? thats my issue. There are a lot of 'pitfalls' here and we get lumbered with a FINE as opposed to a charge if one element of this process - outside our control - breaks down.

I am still VERY unhappy leaving the car and an open credit card slip - or as I call it 'blank cheque'.
Jon-Bxl is offline  
Old Jan 3rd 2012, 11:22 am
  #178  
BE Enthusiast
 
rafikiphoto's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Location: Seville
Posts: 556
rafikiphoto is just really nicerafikiphoto is just really nicerafikiphoto is just really nicerafikiphoto is just really nicerafikiphoto is just really nicerafikiphoto is just really nicerafikiphoto is just really nicerafikiphoto is just really nicerafikiphoto is just really nice
Default Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Originally Posted by John & Kath View Post
Could they have made it more complicated!
Leaving aside the bit up to 31st Dec., which was daft, the rest seems reasonable. I guess the 6 month period where they make a general levy (I presume that's 1€ - 3€ per day) is to give the hire companies time to get all the transponders registered and fitted after which a separate charge for each hire seems logical. The contract will be just another form to sign when collecting the car.
rafikiphoto is offline  
Old Jan 3rd 2012, 12:05 pm
  #179  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
EsuriJohn's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Location: Puente Esuri
Posts: 6,896
EsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond repute
Smile Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl View Post
Thanks Guesswork for the collation of the data......

And yes I agree with John about the complexity. However will it work? thats my issue. There are a lot of 'pitfalls' here and we get lumbered with a FINE as opposed to a charge if one element of this process - outside our control - breaks down.

I am still VERY unhappy leaving the car and an open credit card slip - or as I call it 'blank cheque'.
I don't think the translators dont work to well from the text where it produces the word fine I think they mean charges and of course if you do not pay that then penalties and later fines and finally debt collection costs will be added.
EsuriJohn is offline  
Old Jan 3rd 2012, 12:09 pm
  #180  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
EsuriJohn's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Location: Puente Esuri
Posts: 6,896
EsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond reputeEsuriJohn has a reputation beyond repute
Smile Re: Tool Charges on the A22 to Faro

Originally Posted by rafikiphoto View Post
Leaving aside the bit up to 31st Dec., which was daft, the rest seems reasonable. I guess the 6 month period where they make a general levy (I presume that's 1€ - 3€ per day) is to give the hire companies time to get all the transponders registered and fitted after which a separate charge for each hire seems logical. The contract will be just another form to sign when collecting the car.
That seems reasonable until you look at the last journey along the motorway to the airport which will not be logged for at least 48 hrs or longer at BH or weekends. Then they will chase you back to UK etc for 80c plus add ons.
EsuriJohn is offline  

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.