Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

Hi
I have no illusions about having a newspaper persuaded - if I have at all, those such as SiE are seemingly reluctant to affect their Spanish advertisers.

The Madrid paper was just showing times inappropriate for dawn and sunset - the nonsense being that they were always showing the right times on their website each day! As far as I can tell, they have never before shown on the Weather page that Madrid can have a very few weeks with just about more than 15 hours of Sun in the day. Now that is weird on such a page :ohmy:!

A saga that I have to relate still in "no-nosh!" is a similar recent, drawn-out episode with TV OndaLuz showing even weirder times on the "Weather" screens!

Part of your quote is: "they always say on there GMT +2, which is quite weird" - the weirdness is entirely in the nation´s choice of timing - and really, it is the Winter time of GMT+1 which is the culprit for the whole shenannigans! Having "summertime plus" in Winter is the real absurdity - those very dark mornings being quite ridiculous in a Med level country - and the appearance of meals being very late - when not! - is just a major annoyance for the visitors to Spain. :curse: !

On your point about an edit facility - it would seem to be available (which it is anyway, just down the drafting page) but only before posting the item :confused: ?

OH! just as I posted - there it is :ohmy:!

Cheers.

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

#24 - May 28th (ScarletPlumBlossomCadiz - New Craze in Andalucia, Para No6:

(CORRECTION / EDIT): Canaries - the statement in brackets is wrong - as seen in the attachment KaOraspecial.doc which shows clocks in juxtaposition in other Time Zones.
Portugal and the Canaries (and the UK. etc.) are in the EASTERN extremity of a pair of Time Zones on the Ocean side of Europe - just like Salerno, Italy is in Winter!

END of Edit!

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

The major headlines in the "ADN - weekend" (Cadiz) "Friday the Thirteenth" say that tourism activity is hit by the crisis (Hotel reservations not full this year!). Yes, of course, the exchange rates are dire!

However, the malaise to my mind is set to increase!
The strategy of the Grand Tourist Effort is misplaced - it will not auger well for the future just to entice the Chinese, the Mongolians and the Inuits to visit Spain! IT has an urgent need to recognise why visitors to the "remote" beach hotels do not return for another holiday!

They are made to be too miserable - and only because nobody will tell them that the "lateness" of the activities - such as a hot breakfast, lunch and dinner - is a pure ILLUSION ! They just need to be told that the Spanish clockwork is telling fat porkies / big fibs ! - by 2 . 1/2 hours in the West and 2 hours in the East of Spain :cry_smile: !
Virtually ALL activities appear to be running late - except for luckless workers and schoolchildren in the dark in the mornings!
I have seen the misery of the visitors tend to work itself off on the staff who are luckless enough to have to face it :ohmy: !

(I informed "Viva-Cadiz" freebie in 2005 about this problem - but they didn´t want to hear it :mad:!)

"Turismo" need to investigate WHY Visitors DO NOT come back again?

- [ Writer collapses in heap ]

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

At last, two happenings:

"The Oracle" Cadiz & Seville edition for mid-June (14th) has arrived in the Turismo (didn´t see the early June edition here).
It is now a bi-monthly (it says?) - BUT - NOT ONLY THAT - it now is showing properly as a website :thumbsup: ! http://www.theoraclenews.com
(different to before).

Unfortunately, a controversial article on nosh on page 21 is (currently ?) missing on the website - though I have drawn their attention to that!

It is a comparison in two parts of the article on the perception of nosh in Spain to that in the UK!

So, maybe some of us will not have to go hunting for the next edition - as I have been doing almost daily here!

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

Hi Folks :thumbup: !

bil has posted some interesting points on eating positively in #91 in the thread - "TIME, Gentlemen, Please - but NOT Nosh!" - just thought you like to know about it in this thread!

Cheers.

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

Aha, now I understand your references on other pages.

Re the article on 21 - this is, and is clearly marked as such, a satirical, parody piece and was not meant to be "controversial". The subject matter (nothing at all to do with food) in the article you refer to "Costa Brits Declare Independence From Spain" and the other piece "Revealed: Bush's Plan to Invade Spain" should have been enough to show that this is a p**s Take. They contain heavily exaggerated sterotypes. It is a fun page which readers seem to enjoy. I would love to take the credit but this is provided to me by our fearless reporter "Scoop" (not his real name!!!)

The article does appear on the website - in the downloadable PDF versions of the full paper. As is the custom with many papers with commercial obliagtions to its advertisers, we prefer to not include many things in the main site, prefering instead that people will go to the full paper on PDF.

BTW, the current site is only temporary as we are test driving the other one right now (and it may be a while as I'm not really happy with it :( )

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

Hi Fortaleza!

Quite understand it was meant to be funny - and was - but it could be taken as a sarcastic reference to Brits attitude to nosh (how come you say it had nothing to with nosh - it summed up attitudes to Spanish nosh by Brits and attitudes in the UK to Brit nosh by "pseudo" Brits - if you want the distinction?).

Did not particularly remember about all that "bull" over the big drink!

Is there any confusion caused by differing content to the special Cadiz/Seville edition of "The Oracle"?


How about warning the Expats in the paper about the lateness of the searing Sun? Please remember that the recommendation of the Congress of Dermatologists in Cadiz was summed up correctly on 8 June Last Year 2007, in the Diario de Cadiz.

( It is essential to note that in this July - for the whole of Spain - and for the whole world, too! - the time for culmination of the Sun will be a further average of 10 minutes later in the day - caused by what was anciently known as "The Equation of Time").

- The Equation of Time is merely the old name for the major difference between clockwork and sundial timing, ranging through -15 to +15 minutes irregularly through the year - one of the main reasons for not using the sundial as an exact reference to the time!).

So, for the whole of Spain - in July and August - the precautionary time interval of " 12 noon to 5 pm " is even more relevant. (In Madrid, for example, for which both "El Mundo" and I will have an announcement to make shortly, the midday time will be as late as 14:30 or 2:30 pm by the middle of July!).

Cheers.

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

I'm confused once more by the big drink comment??

In answer to your question, I don't really know what you mean be confusion for Cadiz edition.

The current fortnightly version of the paper contains 40 pages. For the most part, they are the same in Cadiz/Seville as they are in Huelva/Algarve. However, although MUCH cheaper for us as a company to have just one edition for all areas, previous experience of other newspapers coming into these areas (no names mentioned), readers were not too happy with having so many stories from for example the Costa del Sol or the Sierra of Malaga and Granada. So we concluded that readers in Cadiz would not be interested in stories about Huelva and vice versa.

So at the start of the paper, 6 pages differ in each edition, featuring stories for the relevant area. That said, because in the last edition and the current one (now on website if you want a peek) the main story on the front page was relevent to both areas, we kept them the same, although they do feature differing advertising.

There shouldn't be any 'confusion' as readers in Cadiz will only see the Cadiz edition and will not be aware of what's in the Huelva edition.

As for your story idea, we've done this in the past, and feel that our readers are aware, although maybe in not so much technical detail as you, of the times to stay out of the sun. When you consider that the Spanish come off the beach en masse at 2pm to have lunch and siesta before maybe heading back late in the afternoon, resident Brits, I think, have adapted quite well to this regime.

That said, why not send us a letter/email for print and we'll consider it for future issue

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

Hi Fortaleza!

I really appreciate the time and thought you have given to my comments!
(Your response is much abbreviated above!).
A) I was just referring to the fact that I didn´t particularly notice the item about Bush on the other side of the Ocean!

B) Now, I understand that you didn´t have "Scoop´s" offerings printed in Marbella! ( I thought it a bit provocative for that area - since it did seem a little sarcastic to me!). So, I thought that you didn´t therefore realise that the nosh feature was present there when you inferred that scoop was not writing about nosh! - Now, of course, I realise that there is no differing edition in Marbella!

C) As you realise, I am concerned about the sun hazard for everybody - just as Prof. E. Herrera mentions for a number of peeps activities during a day.

But, I have seen too many cases of couples (generally) being under parasols - or going to the cafe-bar at about 1:00 to 2:00 pm - and then going out into the Sun before it is really midday! Also, there is the fact, as I see it, quite a number of people seem to have that tapas and a drink - just because it has been their custom in Summer - wherever they have been in the World previously, to have their break at that time. (1:00 pm to 2:00pm is perfectly OK in most countries!).

Then. there are the terrible statistics from Malaga printed in detail by SiE in the previous March of 2007 - which showed in the title that Malaga is one of the worst areas in EUROPE for the incidence of Melanomas and Skin Cancer - which the doctors said, then, was increasing yearly among Foreign Residents by 10 - 15% per year. (This year there were no statistics cited by Sie - although mentioned as existing!).
The fact that Dr Herrera in the following July, moved the goalposts - by changing to consider the less affected hospitals in the North of the country - was not a particularly convincing demonstration that the "situation had stabilised".

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

All of this is quite irrelevant as the decaying orbit of the moon cause's the month period to be slightly longer each year hence the drift in summer season timing. Currently the GMT calculations don't allow for this drift of 4 or 5 cm's per year The moon has drifted 6.52 meters outwards away from the earth since time zones were set up thus changing the true length of a month. The earth also osculates in its path around the sun which has a impact on seasonal variations and scientist are still trying to determine if our orbit is fixed or decaying also. figures can be quoted no end but as i have said these figures are build on a fixed orbit basis. 1 billion years ago the month was only 18 days long as the moon drifts further away more time has to be added to each month currently all that is done is Time is stopped breifly on new years eve each year. Soon enough not even sun cream is going to help you.

See http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...s_0303018.html
http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827..._030218_02.gif

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

Especially if the ozone layer misbehaves itself :eek: !

There are others in this World - many with interest in the future of kids to be healthy in general ! You seem to have little faith in the future?

I managed to get a little fun at the expense of the "El Mundo" newspaper in Madrid this week!

For years the paper seems to have employed a philosophy not unlike yours? They have always shown a shortfall in the information shown daily on their "Weather Page" - even showing alongside it - a suggestion to compare the data with that on their website www.elmundo.es - which disagreed with that on the paper´s page! I have scotched that - and now the shortfall has vanished from the centre of the page - replaced by the truth - so now the paper can recognise that there is a potential of 15 hours Sun - instead of not appearing the past summers! (see attachment).

Your gerrymandering is not welcome by many, I rather expect, Ka Ora!

Stay cheery :thumbup:!

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

Face facts love, Its the end of the world.

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

Didn´t know you were gay?

So, as I said, Stay Cheery!

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

Why, has MFI finished their sale ?

Re: TIME, Gentlemen, Please
 

No but the bar has run out of beer:blink: