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joedachef Jun 24th 2019 9:47 am

Is there any animosity about brixit
 
I was wondering if there any animosity about the UK wanting to leave
the EU from the Spanish people towards the British there or ones like use wanting to retire there
next year
Its something that's crossed my mind over the past few weeks

chrisjolly Jun 24th 2019 11:11 am

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 

Originally Posted by joedachef (Post 12701965)
I was wondering if there any animosity about the UK wanting to leave
the EU from the Spanish people towards the British there or ones like use wanting to retire there
next year
Its something that's crossed my mind over the past few weeks

Our neighbors thinks its crazy that the UK wants to leave but have shown no animosity because of it. Mind you I haven't told them that I am in favor of leaving as they really are not that interested. Life is for living not worrying about the EU..

bobd22 Jun 24th 2019 11:44 am

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
I have not noticed any animosity from Spanish towards us , confusion etc yes but animosity no. I have noticed some animosity from certain British living here toward other British that they know voted out.

snikpoh Jun 24th 2019 11:53 am

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 

Originally Posted by bobd22 (Post 12702001)
I have not noticed any animosity from Spanish towards us , confusion etc yes but animosity no. I have noticed some animosity from certain British living here toward other British that they know voted out.

I voted leave and cannot believe the amount of rude and horrible comments I've received (even death threats can you believe) from fellow Brits.

The Spanish don't seem to care and are amazed at how long it's taking.

Dxf Jun 24th 2019 1:23 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
Hola

A friend in Valencia was refused post operative treatment because of Brexit; totally wrong of course because we are still Europeans until the UK leaves whereupon there may (or may not) be a different status of affairs

Davexf

The Guy Jun 24th 2019 3:31 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
No animosity.
Just laughter and general bemusement...even the chap in the ITV centre when getting my van checked...saw i was British, said the word "Brexit" and started to laugh...then said "Boris" and laughed even more...i think the van passed due to sympathy...

Loafing Along Jun 24th 2019 5:35 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 

Originally Posted by The Guy (Post 12702110)
No animosity.
Just laughter and general bemusement...even the chap in the ITV centre when getting my van checked...saw i was British, said the word "Brexit" and started to laugh...then said "Boris" and laughed even more...i think the van passed due to sympathy...

My Spanish friends similar attitude . Can't believe what is happening in the UK

Notdunroamin Jun 24th 2019 6:28 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
Since the posters here who voted leave seem perfectly happy to publically reveal their choices perhaps they'd be willing to also share why they made that choice.

I hope the answers are not that you hold - or can obtain - Irish passports!

bobd22 Jun 24th 2019 7:45 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 

Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 12702003)
I voted leave and cannot believe the amount of rude and horrible comments I've received (even death threats can you believe) from fellow Brits.

The Spanish don't seem to care and are amazed at how long it's taking.

Its your vote to do with as you wish. I know people that own property in Spain and voted out, I find it odd but I would not fall out with them over it, their vote their choice.

amideislas Jun 25th 2019 6:03 am

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
This echoes my experiences in this matter:

What my Spanish neighbours think of Brexit


Boseley Jun 25th 2019 12:09 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
We are the only two that were born in England that live in this city, so no other Immigrants from the U.K. to argue with. Being geographically on a different continent, with a different time zone the Islanders seem to have little or no interest in the EU let alone the U.K. so no animosity from them at all.

Lmj2018 Jun 25th 2019 12:13 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
Most don’t talk about it, however some see the English in particular as stupid, call themselves “ex-pats” not immigrants and can’t/won’t learn the language.
I find it hard to comprehend the leave voters rationale, and those who live here and voted leave, well it beggars belief.
many Spanish welcome us and appreciate our attempts to integrate.

Moses2013 Jun 25th 2019 12:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Boseley (Post 12702536)
with a different time zone the Islanders seem to have little or no interest in the EU .

The EU supports El Hierro’s farming sector by providing up to 85% of the Canary Islands’ total rural development spending on the island, for such initiatives as modernising the cultivation of tropical pineapple.

The Island Council of El Hierro participates in the ENERMAC interregional territorial cooperation project on renewable energies and energy efficiency for sustainable development (the EU funds the project to the tune of EUR 2 000 000, 85% of the total cost).

The council is also taking part in an interregional project called ECO-TUR, which aims to set up a trans-national network of municipal councils to devise a strategy to promote ecotourism and active tourism (which benefits from EUR 2165 in EU funding).

El Hierro has a total of 11 nature reserves – accounting for 57.8% of its territory – which are protected under the European nature conservation network Natura 2000.

Wine from El Hierro has Protected Designation of Origin (PDO) status guaranteed under EU rules.

https://what-europe-does-for-me.eu/


snikpoh Jun 25th 2019 1:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Lmj2018 (Post 12702538)
Most don’t talk about it, however some see the English in particular as stupid, call themselves “ex-pats” not immigrants and can’t/won’t learn the language.
I find it hard to comprehend the leave voters rationale, and those who live here and voted leave, well it beggars belief.
many Spanish welcome us and appreciate our attempts to integrate.


Why? The UK will be paying my pension. The UK will be taking tax. The UK will (probably) be where my children go to live and work.

Why can't I try and make a better future for us and them. (I know remainers don't believe it will be better but that's not my point here). I have a right to vote because it affects me and might affect my family!

Lmj2018 Jun 25th 2019 1:12 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 

Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 12702556)
Why? The UK will be paying my pension. The UK will be taking tax. The UK will (probably) be where my children go to live and work.

Why can't I try and make a better future for us and them. (I know remainers don't believe it will be better but that's not my point here). I have a right to vote because it affects me and might affect my family!

if resident in Spain why are you taxed in Uk? I think we’re taking away choices and freedom from our children and grandchildren that we had, and I don’t think that’s fair.
I have not said anything about your right to vote.
it is only my opinion and you have yours

Stillgame Jun 25th 2019 1:57 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 

Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 12702556)
Why? The UK will be paying my pension. The UK will be taking tax. The UK will (probably) be where my children go to live and work.

Why can't I try and make a better future for us and them. (I know remainers don't believe it will be better but that's not my point here). I have a right to vote because it affects me and might affect my family!

Agreed.
Also, although many wont admit it, most Brits move to Spain not because they see it as the land of opportunity. It's the weather, lifestyle, property price etc. Relatively few for other economic reasons. Most are retirees or otherwise self sufficient - certainly not reliant on welfare. Also quite happy to just have a fleeting interest in Spanish language if at all. Nowt wrong with that.
Comparing immigrants to the UK with expats in Spain is nonsensical.

bobd22 Jun 25th 2019 2:10 pm

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Originally Posted by Stillgame (Post 12702583)
Comparing immigrants to the UK with expats in Spain is nonsensical.

It is from the point that most immigrants to the UK actually come to work but as you say majority come to Spain to retire or early retirement and are pretty much self sufficient however not all. Some do of course come to work set up a business or simply marry a Spaniard who wants them to settle here, from that stance there is no difference. Also EU consists of more than Spain Cyprus Italy etc with the pull of good weather. Where there is no difference in my view is British and many other EU incomers fail to intirgrate something that many in the UK complain all the time about re EU incomers to the UK especially language wise. Of course we use the magic expat term to describe ourselves which somehow seems to mean we as a higher being than a mere immigrant don't need to bother.

Moses2013 Jun 25th 2019 2:10 pm

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Originally Posted by Stillgame (Post 12702583)
Agreed.
Also, although many wont admit it, most Brits move to Spain not because they see it as the land of opportunity. It's the weather, lifestyle, property price etc. Relatively few for other economic reasons. Most are retirees or otherwise self sufficient - certainly not reliant on welfare. Also quite happy to just have a fleeting interest in Spanish language if at all. Nowt wrong with that.
Comparing immigrants to the UK with expats in Spain is nonsensical.

But then again you benefit from Spain being in the EU. I doubt many of these retirees would move to Spain if the healthcare, roads, facilities & living conditions were not like they are today. Otherwise Albania would be flooded with Brits;)

bobd22 Jun 25th 2019 2:14 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 

Originally Posted by Lmj2018 (Post 12702560)


if resident in Spain why are you taxed in Uk?

Possibly has a government pension which will always be taxed in the UK? That's my position I didn't vote leave but a person has the right to vote whichever way they choose.

Rosemary Jun 25th 2019 3:27 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
OK folks can we please get back on topic and answer the OP´s question and not go down the usual route about Brexit.

Here is the original question as a reminder.

Rosemary


Originally Posted by joedachef (Post 12701965)
I was wondering if there any animosity about the UK wanting to leave
the EU from the Spanish people towards the British there or ones like use wanting to retire there
next year
Its something that's crossed my mind over the past few weeks


Lmj2018 Jun 25th 2019 4:46 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
Rosemary, the OP, is asking about the animosity about Brexit. Hence the replies.

amideislas Jun 25th 2019 7:17 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
There is little, if any animosity. Just a kind of pity, if anything.

Now, if one were to refer to the common stereotypes, well the stereotypes formed of the English aren't particularly positive, yet are considered sort of amusing, rather than a threat, but for the English who've been open minded enough to settle amongst (and integrate within) the real Spanish population, you'll find that the Spanish are very warm and welcoming, especially after discovering that you don't fit the stereotypes. The same is true with any other nationality, really.

It's not about WHO you are, it's about HOW you are. That's an important distinction.

Rosemary Jun 25th 2019 7:49 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 

Originally Posted by Lmj2018 (Post 12702709)
Rosemary, the OP, is asking about the animosity about Brexit. Hence the replies.

The OP is asking about any animosity from SPANISH people not about any animosity from Brits.

Rosemary

olivefarmer Jun 25th 2019 9:45 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
No animosity as far as I can discern from our Spanish friends. You have to understand that Spain has done very well out of the EU as a net recipient. When we first came here our neighbours had mules and most work was done by hand. Now they have several cars, a nice tractor and other machinery. Views will change as Spain contributes to new member states in the East. Also when they realise one size doesn't fit all. They are also astute enough to see the irony in their home politics is no better than the UKs.
learn the language, accept the vagaries of Bureaucracy and integrate and you will be fine. People have been living in other countries successfully since time began.

joedachef Jun 25th 2019 10:36 pm

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Does OP mean Old Person -lol

BEVS Jun 25th 2019 11:02 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 

Originally Posted by joedachef (Post 12702868)
Does OP mean Old Person -lol

Opening poster = You

amideislas Jun 26th 2019 2:02 pm

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Originally Posted by olivefarmer (Post 12702847)
No animosity as far as I can discern from our Spanish friends. You have to understand that Spain has done very well out of the EU as a net recipient. When we first came here our neighbours had mules and most work was done by hand. Now they have several cars, a nice tractor and other machinery. Views will change as Spain contributes to new member states in the East. Also when they realise one size doesn't fit all. They are also astute enough to see the irony in their home politics is no better than the UKs.
learn the language, accept the vagaries of Bureaucracy and integrate and you will be fine. People have been living in other countries successfully since time began.

The UK has also done very well as an EU member. It's an unpopular and inconvenient reality. But it will find out soon.

minouette Jun 28th 2019 12:43 pm

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If even after more than 3 years some still can't spell Brexit ...
my only on topic comment :)

Fred James Jun 28th 2019 2:15 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 
Perhaps you are one of those clever people who never make typos! I notice that you did not end your post with a full stop.

minouette Jun 28th 2019 2:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 12704066)
Perhaps you are one of those clever people who never make typos! I notice that you did not end your post with a full stop.

Correct!

Leper Jun 28th 2019 3:05 pm

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1. Since the referendum I've been advising every Brit that'll listen that if they qualify, apply for an Irish passport asap. If your grandfather, grandmother, mother, father was Irish then you qualify. Go for it; it could be the best decision you ever made. Obviously, you won't be telling as much Irish jokes as hitherto.

2. If you haven't applied for an Irish passport, no sweat. I reckon Brexit won't happen. When all is said and done, there is often more said than done.

3. 200,000 people residing in the UK have applied for Irish passports and consequently the Irish Passport Office is clogged up. Even we Irish have to wait months for renewals. Both my grandfathers were from Essex, but for some reason that doesn't qualify me to apply for a British passport. Perhaps this is some kind of Thank-You for many in the UK qualifying to play for the Republic of Ireland. Thank you for Zinadene Kilbane.

bobd22 Jun 28th 2019 3:34 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 

Originally Posted by Leper (Post 12704106)
1. Since the referendum I've been advising every Brit that'll listen that if they qualify, apply for an Irish passport asap. If your grandfather, grandmother, mother, father was Irish then you qualify. Go for it; it could be the best decision you ever made. Obviously, you won't be telling as much Irish jokes as hitherto.

2. If you haven't applied for an Irish passport, no sweat. I reckon Brexit won't happen. When all is said and done, there is often more said than done.

3. 200,000 people residing in the UK have applied for Irish passports and consequently the Irish Passport Office is clogged up. Even we Irish have to wait months for renewals. Both my grandfathers were from Essex, but for some reason that doesn't qualify me to apply for a British passport. Perhaps this is some kind of Thank-You for many in the UK qualifying to play for the Republic of Ireland. Thank you for Zinadene Kilbane.

I am in the position where I could claim an Irish passport as my mother was Irish. However that would only allow me to stay in the event of no deal but it wouldn't give me free healthcare or the state pension increase rights so don't really see the point? British citizenship with a deal is the best way as both of those rights are then covered also who is to say in event of no deal that bi lateral agreements aren't made to cover such things outside of the deal on offer? As always wait and see

Retired in Euskadi Jun 28th 2019 4:45 pm

Re: Is there any animosity about brixit
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12703136)
The UK has also done very well as an EU member. It's an unpopular and inconvenient reality. But it will find out soon.

But Spain has done even better. Especially the 'poorer' regions like Andalucia, Extremadura. Britain in general like many northern countries pays more into Brussels' coffers than it receives.
People here take it as a given to be a part of the EU, and on the surface it all seems plausible and so cannot understand the turmoil that Britain is going through.
But there is an agenda which I am very uncomfortable with, hence my reason for voting leave.

Novocastrian Jun 28th 2019 4:49 pm

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Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 12704066)
Perhaps you are one of those clever people who never make typos! I notice that you did not end your post with a full stop.

Oh I knew it was a typo, but I thought s'he meant Brisket. I have a great deal of animosity about brisket.

spouse of scouse Jun 28th 2019 4:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 12704154)
Oh I knew it was a typo, but I thought s'he meant Brisket. I have a great deal of animosity about brisket.

Brisket's quite nice if it's corned (salted), boiled and served with boiled spuds and cabbage :angel_smile:

Rosemary Jun 28th 2019 5:46 pm

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Closing the thread as no-one is respecting a new members question.

Rosemary


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