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Kevo11 Mar 19th 2018 8:39 pm

Tax question
 
Evening all.

Can someone please confirm if my understanding below is correct? Thanks.

Moving to Spain in May ish. Will not be working, age 52. Any private pension income that I drawdown from the UK will be taxed in Spain. I believe the rate will be 19% on income above the personal allowance of €5,550 up to €12,450. Or am I talking nonsense?

stevesainty Mar 20th 2018 8:42 am

Re: Tax question
 
You will also get a general tax allowance of 2,000€ and 3,700€ earnings related allowance (this reduces, on a sliding scale, the more you earn and disappears at earnings over 14,450).

A simple view is reduce your total income by 2,000€, multiply the balance by 19% to get the tax due, then reduce this amount by 19% of 5,550 (1,054.50) and 19% of 3,700 (703).

This is, of course assuming that your income comes within the bands allowed for this level of taxation.

Kevo11 Mar 20th 2018 9:11 am

Re: Tax question
 

Originally Posted by stevesainty (Post 12466276)
You will also get a general tax allowance of 2,000€ and 3,700€ earnings related allowance (this reduces, on a sliding scale, the more you earn and disappears at earnings over 14,450).

A simple view is reduce your total income by 2,000€, multiply the balance by 19% to get the tax due, then reduce this amount by 19% of 5,550 (1,054.50) and 19% of 3,700 (703).

This is, of course assuming that your income comes within the bands allowed for this level of taxation.

Thanks Steve. Complicated stuff!!

spainrico Mar 20th 2018 9:55 am

Re: Tax question
 
The other issue is timing of arrival and entry into Spanish tax system - you need 183 days in Spain to be liable for tax so if you arrive (intending to live as a resident) after tax cut off point (Spains Tax year is Jan-Dec) you would not be liable to make a declaracion until 2020 on your 2019 income.

Kevo11 Mar 20th 2018 10:29 am

Re: Tax question
 

Originally Posted by spainrico (Post 12466313)
The other issue is timing of arrival and entry into Spanish tax system - you need 183 days in Spain to be liable for tax so if you arrive (intending to live as a resident) after tax cut off point (Spains Tax year is Jan-Dec) you would not be liable to make a declaracion until 2020 on your 2019 income.

Gracias.

Kevo11 May 2nd 2018 11:42 am

Re: Tax question
 
Can someone please help with this scenario?

Move to Spain end of July ie less than 183 days remaining in tax year.

Rent a flat and advise private pension provider of my new address.

Say in August or September I drawdown some pension income eg 20k.

Will I escape UK tax as I'm living in Spain? Will I escape Spanish tax as less than 183 days?

Or is this a wishful thinking tax avoidance idea?

Thanks.

spainrico May 2nd 2018 6:37 pm

Re: Tax question
 
Very wishful. You have to be tax resident somewhere at any point in time. In your example, you will be UK tax resident.

Sometimes there are benefits in being in one system as against the other (this is only an option when you are relocating) so take professional advice.

Kevo11 May 2nd 2018 6:49 pm

Re: Tax question
 

Originally Posted by spainrico (Post 12493228)
Very wishful. You have to be tax resident somewhere at any point in time. In your example, you will be UK tax resident.

Sometimes there are benefits in being in one system as against the other (this is only an option when you are relocating) so take professional advice.

Thanks. Thought it might be!!

Fred James May 2nd 2018 9:18 pm

Re: Tax question
 
Technically speaking, you cease to be tax resident in the UK when you leave permanently, but HMRC will continue to consider you tax resident until you can prove you are tax resident somewhere else. Once you can prove this, there is the possibility of a tax rebate.

Yes, if you take the lump sum while not tax resident in Spain, it will be free of Spanish tax.


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