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jimenato Jun 29th 2013 7:07 pm

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10778130)
well hopefull not the former Fred, as it would be sin plomb 95
but fuel can over the years accumulate muck in the tank so why not whilst sitting in a long forgotten canister in the boot.

on a "huck out" of the boot this weekend, where I keep all the "legal" bits such as spare lamps, hi-vis, battery powered pump etc etc in a box, found "spare/emergency" water left over from when I drove down from Uk 18months ago. didn't try it, especially as the plastic bottle had changed shape slightly. and not sure about the bottle of windscreen wash after 18m of Spain's high temps.

so - does it go off??

Dom - if you mean hi-vis jacket, I think I'm right in saying that it has to be kept in the car, not the boot. You have to be able to reach it and put it on without getting out.

Rosemary Jun 29th 2013 7:13 pm

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 10778478)
Dom - if you mean hi-vis jacket, I think I'm right in saying that it has to be kept in the car, not the boot. You have to be able to reach it and put it on without getting out.

Correct and there must be one for each person in the car.

Rosemary

Domino Jun 29th 2013 10:22 pm

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 10778478)
Dom - if you mean hi-vis jacket, I think I'm right in saying that it has to be kept in the car, not the boot. You have to be able to reach it and put it on without getting out.


Originally Posted by Rosemary (Post 10778485)
Correct and there must be one for each person in the car.

Rosemary

yes guys and gals - i do mean Hi-Vis Jacket

and as there are normally only a maximum of 2 in my car then they are kept in the car.
however, being cautious, and that i may one day to have more than the 2 in the car i keep an extra 3 in my boot emergencies box.
as i understand the law, it is necessary to get out of the car with it on (that could be a laugh :rofl:) so it would be possible to get the spares out and pass them in.
when i hired a car a couple of years ago that only had 2 jackets for a 5 seater car.

but then you are supposed to have 2 triangles, but most people only have one, if any. I have 2 and also a magnetic flashing light for night time that plugs into the ciggy lighter.

What i find interesting is that even when police are attending RTA's the people from the car(s) do not actually put hi-vis on, just get out and wander around.

but that's Spain for you
:rofl:
ps (and I don't carry any spare fuel in the boot)

pete_l Jun 30th 2013 5:47 am

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10778130)
so - does it go off??

I can't tell you about diesel, your original question. However petrol contains volatile compounds that will evaporate (even out of a sealed container) over time - accelerated by the heat of being in the boot when in direct sunlight. That doesn't mean it'll turn into sludge, but it will lose some of it's "ooomph".
As far as quantities are concerned, I seem to recall that in the UK the legal limit is 5 litres. I would expect that there's a limit in Spain, but I don't know what it would be (at a guess, it's the amount you can get into the small containers that are sold in garages / Carrefour, they look to be about 5l).
However it makes sense to carry as little around, outside your tank, as possible. One single litre of petrol contains about the same explosive energy as an artillery shell (33MJ, c.f. 20-30MJ for a tank shell). So while it won't explode and cause as much instantaneous damage, it's not something you'd want to have around if you didn't have to.

missile Jun 30th 2013 11:57 pm

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 
Diesel is harder to ignite than petrol.
If your gauge is inaccurate, why don't you just fill up when tank gets to half empty?

Domino Jul 1st 2013 3:18 am

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 

Originally Posted by pete_l (Post 10779114)
I can't tell you about diesel, your original question. However petrol contains volatile compounds that will evaporate (even out of a sealed container) over time - accelerated by the heat of being in the boot when in direct sunlight. That doesn't mean it'll turn into sludge, but it will lose some of it's "ooomph".
As far as quantities are concerned, I seem to recall that in the UK the legal limit is 5 litres. I would expect that there's a limit in Spain, but I don't know what it would be (at a guess, it's the amount you can get into the small containers that are sold in garages / Carrefour, they look to be about 5l).
However it makes sense to carry as little around, outside your tank, as possible. One single litre of petrol contains about the same explosive energy as an artillery shell (33MJ, c.f. 20-30MJ for a tank shell). So while it won't explode and cause as much instantaneous damage, it's not something you'd want to have around if you didn't have to.

it isnt the petrol its the fumes
whizzzz
BANG
ooh NASTY !!

apologies to the Navy Lark

Bri and Katee Jul 2nd 2013 6:20 am

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 
When driving to spain we always carry fuel in the boot. There is a fuel station just outside the ferry terminal at Portsmouth. We fill the car and then put an extra 40 litres in two containers.

Because the ferry docs at teatime in spain, by the time you are past Madrid and thinking of filling up again its late evening, there are no easy filling stations open, not even on the motorways. So stop and fill car from the containers. We can do the journey in one hop that way, stopping only to fill the tank and maybe take a pee.

We can do all but 70 miles withjust the tank and an empty car, but if the car is loaded down with 'stuff' (usually is on the way down) we come up 110 miles short, so we burn an extra 40 miles of fuel when the car is fully laden--take note, don't carry unnecessary stuff in your cars.

missile Jul 2nd 2013 11:19 pm

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 

Originally Posted by Bri and Katee (Post 10781764)
When driving to spain we always carry fuel in the boot. There is a fuel station just outside the ferry terminal at Portsmouth. We fill the car and then put an extra 40 litres in two containers..

That is dangerous and against ferry regs. http://www.norfolkline.com/Ferries_t...of_spare_fuel/

jimenato Jul 3rd 2013 12:49 am

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 

Originally Posted by missile (Post 10782610)
That is dangerous and against ferry regs. http://www.norfolkline.com/Ferries_t...of_spare_fuel/

Sounds like a more expensive option too - fuel is quite a bit cheaper in Spain.

bobd22 Jul 3rd 2013 2:20 am

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 
Just re the garages in Spain as I am travelling over by motorbike in 2 weeks it has a range of around 200 miles only and will be travelling from the tea time ferry at Santander to south of Madrid first nigh. What times are the main garages open until especially motorway ones as I had thought they would be 24 hour?

missile Jul 3rd 2013 2:41 am

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 
There is fuel available 24hours in Santander, Burgos and Madrid. Make sure you fill before you leave Madrid. The garages are not so convenient south of the city. Check on line before you go or get a Garmin for fuel stop locations.

Enjoy the ride

bobd22 Jul 3rd 2013 2:47 am

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 
Thanks Misssile

Bri and Katee Jul 3rd 2013 5:55 am

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 

Originally Posted by missile (Post 10782610)
That is dangerous and against ferry regs. http://www.norfolkline.com/Ferries_t...of_spare_fuel/


who in gods name would use that to france? jump on brittany and go all the way to santander

missile Jul 3rd 2013 6:45 am

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 

Originally Posted by Bri and Katee (Post 10783169)
who in gods name would use that to france? jump on brittany and go all the way to santander


I didn't say use Norfolkline, it was the first link I could find outlining restrictions on carrying fuel.

It is also not permitted to carry fuel on Brittany Ferries without a dangerous goods permit. You can search for that info .......... if you really need convincing? :confused:

Who in gods name would carry 40 litres of fuel in the boot of their boot on a ferry. Seems you do not care about the danger posed to other passengers? :eek:

missile Jul 3rd 2013 6:48 am

Re: Spare fuel in the boot
 

Originally Posted by bobd22 (Post 10782915)
Thanks Missile

Pleased to help. I have journeyed to Spain on a bike several times on a variety of routes. If you need any more advice?


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