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Old Apr 30th 2008, 8:26 pm
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My wife went into hospital yesterday morning in Tortosa having had a Hernia
she waited just two months Must say during the two months I had to carry my own gas bottles Anyway she went in 8am and was back in her room 2 hours later all done and dusted The staff, doctors , and everyone who knows her were fantastic as was the aftercare she has been checked over nearly every two hours not left on a trolley in the car park I know I have had a bit of a chuckle hereon but in short anyone who has a pending operation here in Spain and worries that the Staff/Equipment may be a bit behind the times when compared to the UK Please do not worry they are not. You are in good hands here in Spain. Or as we say its not Spain its Catalonia hey what the heck its sunny outside and the beer is cold

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My wife went into hospital yesterday morning in Tortosa having had a Hernia
she waited just two months Must say during the two months I had to carry my own gas bottles Anyway she went in 8am and was back in her room 2 hours later all done and dusted The staff, doctors , and everyone who knows her were fantastic as was the aftercare she has been checked over nearly every two hours not left on a trolley in the car park I know I have had a bit of a chuckle hereon but in short anyone who has a pending operation here in Spain and worries that the Staff/Equipment may be a bit behind the times when compared to the UK Please do not worry they are not. You are in good hands here in Spain. Or as we say its not Spain its Catalonia hey what the heck its sunny outside and the beer is cold
Dios Mio...don't get the Catalufos started on all that again porfavor!!!
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and worries that the Staff/Equipment may be a bit behind the times when compared to the UK
Good, I have been in Spanish hospitals as the Hospital Reina Sofía, of Murcia, and certainly it doesn't seem a hospital of the third world. It is a marvel, so much in facilities, technology like human treatment. Possibly, I says, possibly, all the hospitals in Spain won't be exactly as this hospital, but this will happen also in the United Kingdom. I don't believe that all, absolutely all the hospitals of the United Kingdom are the cream of the modernity

And Catalonia is Spain, although a minority of radicals insists in the opposite

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I don't believe that all, absolutely all the hospitals of the United Kingdom are the cream of the modernity
I appreciate that you are speaking from the Spanish point of view. As regards earlier posts, you’d have to have been an expat in Spain for a very long time not to know that the average UK hospital is decidedly below average.

You go in with something simple and come out with something difficile. Or maybe not come out at all…
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I appreciate that you are speaking from the Spanish point of view. As regards earlier posts, you’d have to have been an expat in Spain for a very long time not to know that the average UK hospital is decidedly below average.

You go in with something simple and come out with something difficile. Or maybe not come out at all…
The only MRS I came out with was the one I married Thank goodness
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I appreciate that you are speaking from the Spanish point of view. As regards earlier posts, you’d have to have been an expat in Spain for a very long time not to know that the average UK hospital is decidedly below average.

You go in with something simple and come out with something difficile. Or maybe not come out at all…
I don't know like I go or not, but I have my opinion and you have your opinion. But also everything has evolved, and the Spain of 2008 is not the Spain of 1970...for example. I had also put you the answers of many british complaining about the hospitals in your country, maybe they had responded better to you. And not only of the British hospitals, even of the public transport

No, I have spoken with common sense, not with the Spanish point of view. We already know the foreign point of view, and the british is not an exception that is certain prejudice of continuing locating us in the Medievo (the same prejudice of thinking that to all we like the bullfighting, the flamenco, and that we all are brown and that we like sun madly). Nor all the hospitals in Spain will be similar of modern, I suppose. Spain is not perfect, and at least, I admit this. But I repeat once again, in United Kingdom it will be same

Many british citizens have come to Spain during years benefitting of our gratuitous sanitary system, and benefitting of sanitary operations...gratuitous here, with our tax, but that it is necessary to pay in United Kingdom. It is of the third world that a country as UK spends more money in armament than in social services for its own citizens. And you, you can continue thinking what you want
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Dios Mio...don't get the Catalufos started on all that again porfavor!!!
Also " catalinos "
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In my personal (though luckily limited) experiences of Spanish hospitals there are some excellent facilities but there are also some bad docs and poor facilities. We had an expensive butcher job done in a main city hospital which was eventually rectified a year later by a small specialist working his own private clinic. He was truly an artist in his surgery, giving such post-operative aftercare that no scar is visible, the surgery itself was done with great care and precision and he was 2/3 the price of the 'butcher of Sevilla'.

I know from friends that there are excellent results from some hospitals and comparing what happened to two friends who got hit by drunk drivers when driving their motorcycles, one in Spain and one in UK, it is difficult to say that one country excels over the other. In my opinion, the UK is behind Spain on average for hospital care. How much do Spanish docs earn compared to UK docs ? I was told that the public hospitals in Spain keep only the best doctors whereas any doc can practice in a private hospital with less accountability.
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Sonofspain1973 Sorry - with our language difference, I think there is some misunderstanding here. I am generally in agreement with your sentiments, not attacking you.

everything has evolved, and the Spain of 2008 is not the Spain of 1970
I agree. The UK has moved on similarly. Unfortunately in many areas, such as policing, education and health we have ‘progressed’ to a system where money and performance targets are everything. In our health service this has caused a huge deterioration in the quality of care, with many people dying of infections picked up in the hospital, ie: they did not have that problem when they entered the hospital.

And not only of the British hospitals, even of the public transport
Public transport is another UK disaster area.

No, I have spoken with common sense, not with the Spanish point of view.
I assume from this you think of my words ‘Spanish point of view’ to mean old fashioned? I actually meant very simply that it is from the perspective of a Spanish person. Again, so easy to misunderstand.

We already know the foreign point of view, and the british is not an exception that is certain prejudice of continuing locating us in the Medievo (the same prejudice of thinking that to all we like the bullfighting, the flamenco, and that we all are brown and that we like sun madly).
Mmm… This unpleasant response is reading a lot into what has been said. I am happy to pay no attention to this, as I know it certainly does not apply to me, and possibly you are upset by earlier misunderstandings. When reading another language it is very easy to misunderstand meaning. I must say I appreciate you posting in English. If I were to attempt to post in Spanish I would probably have started World War 3 by now.

Many british citizens have come to Spain during years benefitting of our gratuitous sanitary system, and benefitting of sanitary operations...gratuitous here, with our tax, but that it is necessary to pay in United Kingdom. It is of the third world that a country as UK spends more money in armament than in social services for its own citizens.
I appreciate these comments are made as the result of an earlier misunderstanding, but it is not true (in general) that we come to Spain and get free health services. (see El Capitan’s post above) When my wife and I arrive in Spain (to work and run a business) we will be putting significant sums of money in via employment contributions (plus tax of course) and we will pay health insurance on top of that. Also, all incomers/immigrants/expats (including retired people) bring money which goes into the local and national economy. You need to be fairer in your way of thinking on this.

In summary, I would not be thinking of moving to Spain if I thought badly of you and your country.
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Sonofspain1973 Sorry - with our language difference, I think there is some misunderstanding here. I am generally in agreement with your sentiments, not attacking you.

I agree. The UK has moved on similarly. Unfortunately in many areas, such as policing, education and health we have ‘progressed’ to a system where money and performance targets are everything. In our health service this has caused a huge deterioration in the quality of care, with many people dying of infections picked up in the hospital, ie: they did not have that problem when they entered the hospital.

Public transport is another UK disaster area.

I assume from this you think of my words ‘Spanish point of view’ to mean old fashioned? I actually meant very simply that it is from the perspective of a Spanish person. Again, so easy to misunderstand.

Mmm… This unpleasant response is reading a lot into what has been said. I am happy to pay no attention to this, as I know it certainly does not apply to me, and possibly you are upset by earlier misunderstandings. When reading another language it is very easy to misunderstand meaning. I must say I appreciate you posting in English. If I were to attempt to post in Spanish I would probably have started World War 3 by now.

I appreciate these comments are made as the result of an earlier misunderstanding, but it is not true (in general) that we come to Spain and get free health services. (see El Capitan’s post above) When my wife and I arrive in Spain (to work and run a business) we will be putting significant sums of money in via employment contributions (plus tax of course) and we will pay health insurance on top of that. Also, all incomers/immigrants/expats (including retired people) bring money which goes into the local and national economy. You need to be fairer in your way of thinking on this.

In summary, I would not be thinking of moving to Spain if I thought badly of you and your country.
If you read my first message, I said that Spain was not a perfect country. We have improved very much, mainly since the democracy. I didn't say that my country was better, and your country was worse, by example. No. I simply said (and this was a personal asseveration) that maybe UK had the same problems than Spain (in this case, better hospitals, worse hospitals, etc etc etc) but basing me on the opinions of British citizens

Obviously than although I criticize to your country, or certain things that I don't like of UK, but it doesn't mean than UK is a bad country. Never. UK is Shakespeare, Newton, Churchill, etc etc etc...and many things. As Spain. If only I guided me then for the things that I don't like of UK, then it would be that I don't like UK (when it is a country that I like a lot) and I would not be here fighting against you

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I appreciate these comments are made as the result of an earlier misunderstanding, but it is not true (in general) that we come to Spain and get free health services. (see El Capitan’s post above) When my wife and I arrive in Spain (to work and run a business) we will be putting significant sums of money in via employment contributions (plus tax of course) and we will pay health insurance on top of that. Also, all incomers/immigrants/expats (including retired people) bring money which goes into the local and national economy. You need to be fairer in your way of thinking on this.

In summary, I would not be thinking of moving to Spain if I thought badly of you and your country.
In defence of silver surfers of a certain age we may be entitled to an E121 for our health care transfer but my understanding is that there is also a cash transfer between social security systems of course it will be two way to cover Spaniards in UK so it may be neutral. We will also pay tax on our transferred pensions if necessary to the Hacienda. The spending input to the Spanish economy from this sector must be substantial. Most of this will be a direct transfer out of the UK economy. Owing to the general decline with age many will also take out private health cover.
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Most of this will be a direct transfer out of the UK economy.
Serves them right too! I’m having trouble of late finding people who aren’t leaving or planning to leave the UK.

and I would not be here fighting against you
I don’t think we are fighting. A misunderstanding is just that, a misunderstanding. I would ask for clarification before assuming the worst. It could be down to a humorous remark which when written, is not obvious, hence the smileys…
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Serves them right too! I’m having trouble of late finding people who aren’t leaving or planning to leave the UK.

I don’t think we are fighting. A misunderstanding is just that, a misunderstanding. I would ask for clarification before assuming the worst. It could be down to a humorous remark which when written, is not obvious, hence the smileys…
When I said to fight I meant this in figured sense, I referred that we are sharing points of view, but not that we are fighting seriously
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My husband was in hospital in Granada for twelve days having had an operation.

His care was fantastic and he had a private en-suite room (this is a public hospital we are talking about).

The food was good and plentiful and the hospital was spotlessly clean.

He could not have had better care.

Far better than the UK in my opinion.
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With regards British Ex Pats using Spanish Health Service and taking money from the Spanish tax system this is not true, Both countries have an agreement to service each other citizens when in each others countries. The UK government also pay into the Spanish health some 1200 English pounds per year for each person issued with the blue medical card or E121 ,Some people never use the system however the money is still paid over every year so if you do the sums the UK add several million pounds into the Spanish health service coffers and does not milk the Spanish tax payer as suggested by our Spanish forum member sonofspain.
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