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Old Jun 27th 2023, 10:03 pm
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Originally Posted by bfg69bug
dripping sweat while trying to wash cars, and that's inside the warehouse. I wouldn't wanna be outside unless there's a breeze.
😞I was actually watching the news in Germany and they are now following other countries that have a heat protection plan
https://www.breakinglatest.news/heal...s-a-heat-plan/
I suppose the common thinking that everyone in Spain lives a healthier life is not the case when you have to do manual labour in this heat, especially when you have to work until age 65.

Humans die above 42 degrees body temperature”

In fact, experts have long been warning of the health consequences of heat change on the population when it comes to heat. Data from the German Weather Service (DWD) shows that the number of days with temperatures above 30 degrees has almost doubled in most German regions since 1960. This heat, in turn, is a serious health burden for people with pre-existing conditions, such as diabetes or cardiovascular problems. But pregnant women and infants are also at risk, as are people who work outdoors a lot or do sports.
According to the German Alliance for Climate Change and Health (KLUG), the German Medical Association and the German Nursing Council, a total of 4,500 people died from heat in 2022 alone. In 2018, with its particularly hot summer, there were even 8,700 heat deaths. “Especially when it comes to the danger of heat, we feel that we as humans have limits to adaptation,” says Claudia Traidl-Hoffmann, environmental doctor from Augsburg and climate officer of the Bavarian state government. “People die from a body temperature of 42 degrees.”
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Old Jun 28th 2023, 4:12 pm
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Firstly I'm not so familiar with this matter, but do you think countries should start to invest in desalination plans? Once I've read that it is quite expensive. (hope the question is not too stupid

Spain has some 800 desalination plants that can produce 5 million cubic litres a day of water for drinking, agriculture and industry.
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Old Jun 28th 2023, 4:48 pm
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> Moses : That was an interesting video, thank you. Who knows what will happen in the future, so enjoy your life!
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Old Jun 28th 2023, 4:53 pm
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Fred James > sounds a lot but is it enough?
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Old Jun 28th 2023, 5:43 pm
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No its not enough. Problem is that they are very expensive and use electricity to run. Desalinated water costs about €1.20 per 1000 litres.
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Old Jun 28th 2023, 5:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Fred James
No its not enough. Problem is that they are very expensive and use electricity to run. Desalinated water costs about €1.20 per 1000 litres.
And the waste (brine) is another issue.
https://www.greenmatters.com/big-imp...mental-impacts
To get rid of the brine produced, these plants dump it into natural bodies of water which is harmful to sea life. Specifically, brine lowers the amount of oxygen in the water around these desalination facilities. The American Museum of Natural History points out that sea animals need to drink a lot of water to compensate for all the salt around them.
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Old Jun 28th 2023, 6:28 pm
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One of the bids for the new desalination plant to be built in La Axarquia includes a floating solar park in the La Viñuela reservoir (it had better produce a lot of water because there is precious little in there at the moment for anything to float on!) and the sale of the brine to partially offset running costs (apparently it is used in the production of green hydrogen and chlorine). I have no idea if these things would be viable but it sounds intriguing.

Drought crisis: these are the projects competing for Axarquía desalination plant contract | Sur in English
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Old Jun 30th 2023, 1:00 pm
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I've just seen today that velez malaga and torre del mar are turning off the water over night, and they have prohibited car washing, garden watering and pool filling with drinking water. All makes sense really, people don't appreciate the fact that it WILL run out soon.

https://www.malagahoy.es/velez-malag...807019903.html

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Originally Posted by bfg69bug
I've just seen today that velez malaga and torre del mar are turning off the water over night, and they have prohibited car washing, garden watering and pool filling with drinking water. All makes sense really, people don't appreciate the fact that it WILL run out soon.

https://www.malagahoy.es/velez-malag...807019903.html

Any date of when it will run out? Been hearing this twaddle for over 22 years...........
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Any date of when it will run out? Been hearing this twaddle for over 22 years...........
Well, people who have lost their homes due to rising sea levels also heard these stories long before it happened. Maybe water won't run out soon but polluting the ground and continuing as if nothing will happen might not be a great idea. https://www.eea.europa.eu/publicatio...es-groundwater

Groundwater pollution from agriculture is widespread in central and southern Europe (Map 1). Once groundwater becomes polluted, it can take decades to recover: nitrate concentrations in European groundwater have shown little change over almost 30 years. Nitrogen surpluses in agricultural soils, which provide an ongoing source of nitrate to groundwater, are still identified in Czechia, Denmark, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and in large parts of France. Pesticides were found to exceed legal limits at between 3% and 7% of groundwater monitoring sites between 2013 and 2019.
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Old Jun 30th 2023, 3:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Moses2013
Well, people who have lost their homes due to rising sea levels also heard these stories long before it happened. Maybe water won't run out soon but polluting the ground and continuing as if nothing will happen might not be a great idea. https://www.eea.europa.eu/publicatio...es-groundwater

Groundwater pollution from agriculture is widespread in central and southern Europe (Map 1). Once groundwater becomes polluted, it can take decades to recover: nitrate concentrations in European groundwater have shown little change over almost 30 years. Nitrogen surpluses in agricultural soils, which provide an ongoing source of nitrate to groundwater, are still identified in Czechia, Denmark, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and in large parts of France. Pesticides were found to exceed legal limits at between 3% and 7% of groundwater monitoring sites between 2013 and 2019.
All the Water Parks here are doing a roaring trade.........plenty of the Wet Stuff sploshing about.............get a grip
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Old Jun 30th 2023, 4:09 pm
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Where is here?
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Originally Posted by AdamsAppleR
All the Water Parks here are doing a roaring trade.........plenty of the Wet Stuff sploshing about.............get a grip
Enjoy the pool.

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Where is here?

Costa del Sol...................

​​​​​​https://www.aquavelis.es/
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Enjoy the pool.

Must be run by Thames Water
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