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Old May 12th 2023, 12:25 pm
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Some alternative facts on this subject.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/...-hot-in-spain/
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Old May 12th 2023, 12:34 pm
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When it comes to climate modelling, anecdotes about coronations past produce more reliable data than weather stations. Makes perfect sense.
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Paul Homewood is a retired accountant and climate blogger, who has been writing on climate and energy issues since 2011
His points make no sense:
Spain has always suffered from drought. The famines in 1904 to 1906 were so bad that they very nearly led to revolution. There is no evidence that the weather in Spain is any worse than it used to be.
There will be millions of personal opinions like that and one could argue while Spain might have always been hot, I bet they didn't have to cater for 70 million tourists each year back in 1904?
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I did say alternative.
Want to know more about Mr Homewood?
https://www.desmog.com/paul-homewood/

Paul Homewood- Credentials

According to Bob Ward, Policy and Communications Director at the London School of Economics’ Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment, Homewood has “no professional qualifications or training in meteorology or climate”.
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Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo
I did say alternative.
Want to know more about Mr Homewood?
https://www.desmog.com/paul-homewood/
I was going to say...I think he is wrong in suggesting there has been no evidence that the climate is hotter in south of spain!! I think there is plenty
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Originally Posted by Moses2013
Paul Homewood is a retired accountant and climate blogger, who has been writing on climate and energy issues since 2011
His points make no sense:
Spain has always suffered from drought. The famines in 1904 to 1906 were so bad that they very nearly led to revolution. There is no evidence that the weather in Spain is any worse than it used to be.
There will be millions of personal opinions like that and one could argue while Spain might have always been hot, I bet they didn't have to cater for 70 million tourists each year back in 1904?
Fair point on the tourists, then add in intensive farming exporting to all of Europe and beyond as opposed to horse and carts taking stuff to market, massive industrialisation consuming more water, population growth, bigger cities etc. I don't doubt the climate change argument, but the water shortage has more to do with a lack of infrastructure planning.
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Originally Posted by Moses2013
Just looked it up and read this article
https://www.euronews.com/2023/05/05/...istant-drought
Shocking: It has not rained in the villages north of the city of Cordoba for months, and that means that the drinking water from the Sierra de Boyera reservoir is almost empty. A local water company now collects water from another lake where dairy farmers have discharged manure for years, making the tap water available dangerous to drink and cook with.
Now local residents have to get their drinking water delivered by truck.

https://www.euronews.com/video/2023/...istant-drought

eww nasty. I cant see how that is a viable water source. Or how anyone can be expected to wash themselves or their clothes. The water must smell bad as well as being full of bugs and stuff?

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nels and buried pipework more or less doubles the yield year on year. A no brainer except the farmers are sucking the aquifers dry. There are twelve within a mile radius of our house alone. All are without permission..
there was a recent campaign by the guardia civil rural to close down the illegal wells, something like 299 out of 350 they investigated were illegal its no wonder everything is drying up.

https://www.elmundo.es/andalucia/202...6238b4571.html

https://www.epe.es/es/andalucia/2023...pozos-86139484

https://www.diariodesevilla.es/andal...710429602.html
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This decision by Central Government to assume responsibility for the construction of the new desalination plant in the La Axarquia area of Malaga province will hopefully speed up the process of getting it built.

Government to take on construction of Axarquía desalination plant | Sur in English

I've seen more rain over the last week in Italy than I've seen in the last two years here. However there is rain on the weather forecast from Wednesday onwards, let us hope it materialises. Apparently it rained on Saturday - for all of half an hour.
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Originally Posted by Lynn R
This decision by Central Government to assume responsibility for the construction of the new desalination plant in the La Axarquia area of Malaga province will hopefully speed up the process of getting it built.

Government to take on construction of Axarquía desalination plant | Sur in English

I've seen more rain over the last week in Italy than I've seen in the last two years here. However there is rain on the weather forecast from Wednesday onwards, let us hope it materialises. Apparently it rained on Saturday - for all of half an hour.
Yes, unfortunately there was quiet a lot of granizados in murcia which has destroyed a lot of the plants and therefore will affect prices apparently.
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Originally Posted by Lynn R
I've seen more rain over the last week in Italy than I've seen in the last two years here. However there is rain on the weather forecast from Wednesday onwards, let us hope it materialises. Apparently it rained on Saturday - for all of half an hour.
Last year in Italy we had 40C in April and no rain between January and August. My potato and tomato crops both failed. I had to feed the bees in July instead of harvesting honey. This year it is raining and cool every day.
The Italian weather forecasters normally warning of the African heat are this year talking about no summer. My garden is growing very well with plenty of flowers for the bees.
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Last year in Italy we had 40C in April and no rain between January and August. My potato and tomato crops both failed. I had to feed the bees in July instead of harvesting honey. This year it is raining and cool every day.
The Italian weather forecasters normally warning of the African heat are this year talking about no summer. My garden is growing very well with plenty of flowers for the bees.
We were in Florence and the Cinque Terre last year in June, and even though we are used to the heat we found it unpleasantly hot for sightseeing, it was exhausting. So we thought we would go a few weeks earlier this year in the hope of some cooler weather. Well we certainly got that, but the rain came with it. Sometimes you just can't win! Hopefully it will be good for agriculture as well as your garden.
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Originally Posted by philat98
Last year in Italy we had 40C in April and no rain between January and August. My potato and tomato crops both failed. I had to feed the bees in July instead of harvesting honey. This year it is raining and cool every day.
The Italian weather forecasters normally warning of the African heat are this year talking about no summer. My garden is growing very well with plenty of flowers for the bees.
I've just been reading about the terrible floods in northern Italy, which have resulted in loss of life. I'm so sorry to hear about this.
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Originally Posted by Lynn R
I've just been reading about the terrible floods in northern Italy, which have resulted in loss of life. I'm so sorry to hear about this.
Last year northern Italy was suffering a draught and this year they have too much rain. When you start reading about climate events in Italy there is often some scandal involved. They might build houses without proper permission or a council might be given money for flood prevention and spend it on something else.
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We had a nice thunderstorm over night last night in cartama, nowhere near enough to fill up lakes, but at least crops got some water.
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Originally Posted by Lynn R

I read an article the other day about a young student who was predicting an end to the drought in a few weeks' time, based on his study of how ants behave, of all things. He thinks we are in for a gota fria lasting a few days. it will be interesting to see what comes of it, if anything.

And here is the article

La última predicción de Jorge Rey sobre el fin de la sequía en España y que él ve en las hormigas (lavanguardia.com)
We have been in Málaga today and it has been raining steadily since 12 noon, just the kind of rain needed to give the ground a good soaking, and turned into a real downpour at 3.30 pm. I've been told in rained all night overnight on Saturday here, although we were away at the time. There is more rain on the forecasts every day for the next 7 days at least.

So it looks as though those ants knew a thing or two!
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