Moses2013

Stingychips is probably right and be it flying, driving and taking the ferry, it won't solve the real issues. I have no problem if Lynn R enjoys her holidays and is flying, I only have a problem when I'm accused of being a bigger contributor for not using public transport and driving. We live rural and avoid larger cities, but I still like my freedom and want to get away from people, so being stuck on a bus travelling to larger cities isn't always my idea of relaxation after a working week. We've only been to Spain once this year and will now avoid going until the situation hopefully improves🤞. The bigger problem is how our system works and everything is about growth. Of course all of us (including myself) can do more, but I no longer go to festivals, don't do long haul holidays, eat less meat and try to buy locally + grow our own fruit and veg. I let the garden go wilder in parts which has certainly attracted more bees, birds, butterflies, hedgehogs etc. Is it enough, probably not and we humans still produce too much sh.. Look how many people still travel to Spain right now and despite a drought many will shower twice a day and want a fresh towel every day. Then it's the same with golf courses and people will complain if the course is in a bad condition. Where do you start and where do you stop???

Lynn R

Yes, I edited my post to include that possibility. I am just not familiar enough with the way of life of the super rich, obviously.

rbs_gb

Shucks, I wish I could help on that one!!!

rbs_gb

My claim to green credentials........ I used a push bike at the age of 66 to travel from Spain to England and then back again to Spain!

During COVID there was a time when the flights stopped, and I needed to get back to the UK . The Ferries were not taking foot passengers either, and as we only have my partners car in Spain, that wasn't an option either. Around the village and surrounding area I enjoy using the push bike and so I went on the Britanny Ferries web site, and sure enough, a push bike counted as a vehicle. I had to cycle through the port at Santander along with the cars and trucks, cycle out of Portsmouth Ferry Terminal to the train station, got the train to Bath and from there cycled to the house. As my push bike was now in the UK, I just did the reverse and went back on the bike Yes I know real cyclists would have cycled from Portsmouth to Bath, but I didn't want to die that way

Lynn R

A gold star for you. A few years ago I came back from Lisbon to Malaga by overnight bus instead of flying. It took 10 hours (then a further hour and a half bus journey to get home) and it was horrendous. I would not do it again, regardless of the carbon footprint. I hadn't gone there for leisure purposes but because my sister had been killed whilst on holiday there and her family had asked for my help, so I wasn't in the best frame of mind to cope with it either.

Mark604

rbs_gb - there was something a while ago of a group of football fans who had gone to France(?) to see a match, I think the flight back was cancelled maybe, but they found out there were no foot passengers allowed on the ferry as an alternative to get home, so they bought a load of bikes from locals and cycled on.

rbs_gb

Fair play! Necessity being the mother of invention for so many things during covid. Amusing thing on the return leg, there were two other cyclists. both in their twenties. One was going to Huelva to see some girl he had met online! The other was going to cycle the Camino. Remember this is coming out of Santander port, and he turned the wrong way outside. I shouted to him, he stopped, and told me he was following the sign for Bilbao...... I have no idea if he made it to Santiago.

Moses2013

I have never heard that foot passengers aren't allowed and have always seen them. On website you can book and the only thing that's mandatory is a seat or cabin or as noted here only pets can come with vehicle.

rbs_gb

Feb 2021
Hi Moses2013. This happened during COVID. They stopped all foot passenger traffic. Ray

Moses2013

Ok Covid of course, but thought Mark604 was talking about recent times. Cycling would have been illegal too I thought?
https://www.connexionfrance.com/arti...rs-this-summer

Mark604

A bit less than a year ago. Yes, the Daily Star is not the best source but it was the first on the search list. There are others. It was a stag do apparently.
"After being unable to rent a car or grab Eurostar tickets, the group realised their only option was to get a train to Calais and board a ferry to Dover on Saturday (June 4).
But when they called up to ask about the crossing to Dover they were told foot passengers were not allowed - although bikes were."

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...bikes-27187659

Moses2013

Who knows, maybe some were so drunk and loud that staff told them that story thinking they wouldn't manage to get bikes.

Moses2013

Good news though and parts of Catalonia seeing a good bit of rain over the next few hours.

ElizabethAnn

I believe the problems really stem from the large food companies who are producing food to make money - not to nourish people. Put very simply, everything is driven by this... crop production, animal farming, supermarkets... health issues related to what and how we eat... Do our politicians really want to do anything significant about this? No, they don't.

snikpoh

forecast for valencia region yesterday and this morning but nothing arrived. now 6 months without rain