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😞I was actually watching the news in Germany and they are now following other countries that have a heat protection plan
https://www.breakinglatest.news/heal...s-a-heat-plan/
I suppose the common thinking that everyone in Spain lives a healthier life is not the case when you have to do manual labour in this heat, especially when you have to work until age 65.

Humans die above 42 degrees body temperature”

In fact, experts have long been warning of the health consequences of heat change on the population when it comes to heat. Data from the German Weather Service (DWD) shows that the number of days with temperatures above 30 degrees has almost doubled in most German regions since 1960. This heat, in turn, is a serious health burden for people with pre-existing conditions, such as diabetes or cardiovascular problems. But pregnant women and infants are also at risk, as are people who work outdoors a lot or do sports.
According to the German Alliance for Climate Change and Health (KLUG), the German Medical Association and the German Nursing Council, a total of 4,500 people died from heat in 2022 alone. In 2018, with its particularly hot summer, there were even 8,700 heat deaths. “Especially when it comes to the danger of heat, we feel that we as humans have limits to adaptation,” says Claudia Traidl-Hoffmann, environmental doctor from Augsburg and climate officer of the Bavarian state government. “People die from a body temperature of 42 degrees.”

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Spain has some 800 desalination plants that can produce 5 million cubic litres a day of water for drinking, agriculture and industry.

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> Moses : That was an interesting video, thank you. Who knows what will happen in the future, so enjoy your life!

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No its not enough. Problem is that they are very expensive and use electricity to run. Desalinated water costs about €1.20 per 1000 litres.

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And the waste (brine) is another issue.
https://www.greenmatters.com/big-imp...mental-impacts
To get rid of the brine produced, these plants dump it into natural bodies of water which is harmful to sea life. Specifically, brine lowers the amount of oxygen in the water around these desalination facilities. The American Museum of Natural History points out that sea animals need to drink a lot of water to compensate for all the salt around them.

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One of the bids for the new desalination plant to be built in La Axarquia includes a floating solar park in the La Viñuela reservoir (it had better produce a lot of water because there is precious little in there at the moment for anything to float on!) and the sale of the brine to partially offset running costs (apparently it is used in the production of green hydrogen and chlorine). I have no idea if these things would be viable but it sounds intriguing.

Drought crisis: these are the projects competing for Axarquía desalination plant contract | Sur in English

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I've just seen today that velez malaga and torre del mar are turning off the water over night, and they have prohibited car washing, garden watering and pool filling with drinking water. All makes sense really, people don't appreciate the fact that it WILL run out soon.

https://www.malagahoy.es/velez-malag...807019903.html

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Any date of when it will run out? Been hearing this twaddle for over 22 years...........;)

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Well, people who have lost their homes due to rising sea levels also heard these stories long before it happened. Maybe water won't run out soon but polluting the ground and continuing as if nothing will happen might not be a great idea. https://www.eea.europa.eu/publicatio...es-groundwater

Groundwater pollution from agriculture is widespread in central and southern Europe (Map 1). Once groundwater becomes polluted, it can take decades to recover: nitrate concentrations in European groundwater have shown little change over almost 30 years. Nitrogen surpluses in agricultural soils, which provide an ongoing source of nitrate to groundwater, are still identified in Czechia, Denmark, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and in large parts of France. Pesticides were found to exceed legal limits at between 3% and 7% of groundwater monitoring sites between 2013 and 2019.

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All the Water Parks here are doing a roaring trade.........plenty of the Wet Stuff sploshing about.............get a grip:rofl:

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Where is here?

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Enjoy the pool.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...5681da18f0.gif

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Costa del Sol...................

​​​​​​https://www.aquavelis.es/

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Must be run by Thames Water;)

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Not long now if the empty reservoir at the end of this video is anything to go by.

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Joking aside, the statement that we have waterparks and it's all fine is exactly why we are in this situation. Sure, there are also waterparks in the desert, golf courses and amusement parks. One could also make the claim that the fish restaurants are full and they even have enough fish in the desert thanks to fish farms, so if the ocean is empty won't really bother us.

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Been hearing that also for decades..................along with dozens of false scares .........here's just a few :rofl:

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-ye...erts-are-0-50/

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I'm not sure how a right-wing American lobbying organisation knows more about Iberian peninsula ecology than the water companies and town councils from that area but each to their own.

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Yeah right😉The AEI is an avid opponent of environmental regulation, and its members have repeatedly denied the science on climate change. It has received millions in funding from infamous fossil fuel magnates, the Koch brothers, over the years.

Perry previously authored an article for the AEI titled “18 examples of the spectacularly wrong predictions made around 1970 when the ‘green holy day’ (aka Earth Day) started”, in which he claimed the “hype, hysteria and spectacularly wrong apocalyptic predictions will continue, promoted by the ‘environmental grievance hustlers’”.


Perry has also tweeted that , and an http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/09/bombshell-climate-change-study-could-totally-dismantle-the-claim-humans-are-causing-global-warming from former Fox News host Glen Beck’s The Blaze outlet that dubiously declared a new study “could totally dismantle the claim humans are causing global warming”.

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Oh dear, you are really in very deep...............sleep well.:lol:.

​​​​​​https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/cont...e-predictions/


​​​​​​https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-...c-predictions/

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Thanks, very interesting links:yield:

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last year vinuela was at 23%, now its at 9%. I doubt it will last long with the people wasting water like always.

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A good non technical explanation of desalination and so difficult.

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And therein les the rub. If you were a farmer of any foodstuff and had to pay say 1 euro 20 for every cu metre of water used in irrigation then the cost of food would rocket. Ground water essentially free as capital outlay and replacement parts like new pump comes out of “ tax liability”.

What does the government do? I suspect most farmers will be voting PP ( vox).

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So looking forward to climate change deniers taking charge of things over the next few summers. They'll have to make good on their pre-election promises of rainbows, unicorns, and water for all.

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Oh dear.........https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzK-8wjW...pg&name=medium

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June extremes suggest parts of climate system are reaching tipping points

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Spain drying up?

The inhabitants of Zaragoza might be forgiven for disputing that!

https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/07/0...ped-motorists/

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The recent storms does not mean Spain is no longer dry. These are cases where intense amounts of water falls out of the sky and cannot be absorbed by the ground.
Valencia- Zaragoza-

Urbanisation without a decent infrastructure will not help either. When was the last time you saw, here in Spain, new drainage larger pipes being laid to replace undersized old one? When have you seen any cleaning of the old ones, to prevent blockages?

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A year ago there was a fire, that we had a view on.
https://www.elprogreso.es/articulo/r...271591194.html

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...46644c0204.jpg
It burned around 20 hectares.

Now a year after they have arrested a 50 year old man.
https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/notici...0752263252.htm
The dam and the offices (to the left of the dam) have CCTV. These images of the car proved helpful in identifying the culprit.

Not all fires are accidents.

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Isn't that the whole problem, it always floods there and going up to 40 again next week. More extremes and longer droughts mean it floods the few times it actually rains.

https://weather.com/storms/severe/ne...f-summer-flood

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It was a tongue in cheek post but as for drainage improvement if you want to see one there is a major project in progress just outside of Albatera on A7 J535, I doubt it's the only one.

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Public water fountains in cartama have been turned off - they took away the tap ! The irigation water has been changed from every night for 20 days.. to one day a week :( thats a big difference. We dont "need" it.. we´ve 4k litres of rain water stored for the garden already, but that wont last forever. It was nice to know that we´d come home to full tanks one day next week. Now im not so sure.

I worry about the farmers animals - if they cant drink, they will die. Thats not right, but i cant help its been caused by "us" as a wasteful nation. I saw (only yesterday) a woman hosing down her house, the terrace, the pavement and the road, with a hose from an outside tap. This has been made prohibited by the town hall but its not being enforced. If they dont know, they cant do anything about it.

Same as we drove round the area yesterday after work, and at least 5 people have filled their pools with crystal clear (obviously) tap water ... this is also prohibited. They should fly a drone around and fine people with freshly filled pools.

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Public water fountains have been turned off here, too (in addition to the water supply being turned off just over a week ago from 11.30 pm to 7.00 am - extended from the 6.30 am announced originally). As I found out yesterday when I went swimming, the showers in the changing rooms of our municipal pools have also been taken out of use (the poolside ones are still operating but can only be used for rinsing off as use of soap, shower gel and shampoo is not allowed).

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Have a link to the information about these works? It would be nice to know what is entailed.

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One village in Málaga province is now having the water supply turned off from 1.30 or 2.00 pm in the afternoon until 8.00 am the following day.

Casabermeja corta el agua 18 horas al día y se abastece con camiones cisterna (malagahoy.es)

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I came here to say this.

Interestingly, our 'campo' or irrigation water has been on for the last two nights - our tanks are full up again.

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I think these water restrictions apply to town water. Irrigation water may be controlled some areas, but here in Almuñecar we have plenty of water. We had 150000 litres a few days ago.

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oh totally - i see how the restrictions are only for the tap water, its just that it surprised me - firstly because they said it´d only be one day a week now, and secondly - if theres not enough water to make into tap water, how can they leave the water on, surely they need it to make more tap water ? confused dot com.