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Old Nov 1st 2023, 9:49 am
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Originally Posted by Lynn R

Here, I read last week that the amount of water supplied to local areas from Lake Vinuela is to be cut by a further 15%, which no doubt will mean the extension of restrictions on usage, but nothing has been heard about that as yet. We've had rain on a couple of days during the last week but nothing remarkable. Madrid, however, had floods again including the Metro.
It has now been announced that the night-time cuts in water supplies in the areas supplied by the Viñuela reservoir (now at 7.7% of capacity) will be extended by a further hour, from 10.30 pm to 8.30 am. We continue to get sporadic rainfall, but not very much of it.

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Old Nov 1st 2023, 2:40 pm
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That is tough Lynn. We too have had very little rain. The farmers are still installing totally unregulated olive grove irrigation.

Bit worrying that the Junta de Andalucia have pinned their hopes on “ above average rains this winter”
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Old Nov 1st 2023, 2:51 pm
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That is tough Lynn. We too have had very little rain. The farmers are still installing totally unregulated olive grove irrigation.

Bit worrying that the Junta de Andalucia have pinned their hopes on “ above average rains this winter”
Unfortunately "we'll keep our fingers crossed and hope it rains" seems to have been their strategy for at least 3 years before this one. And in the meantime no thought has been given as to whether it was really a good idea to let farmers plant more and more crops like mangos and avocados which require so much more irrigation than the traditional crops, or to allow more housing development to increase the pressure on water supplies.
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Old Nov 1st 2023, 3:23 pm
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Originally Posted by olivefarmer
That is tough Lynn. We too have had very little rain. The farmers are still installing totally unregulated olive grove irrigation.

Bit worrying that the Junta de Andalucia have pinned their hopes on “ above average rains this winter”
Unfortunately more and more people will be heading to Spain in the coming years, no idea where the water will come from if it continues.
In Málaga an increase of roughly 26.000 more people in one year, if we have another wetter than average winter here in Northern Europe just mean thousands more will come to Spain next year and they mainly move to already drought prone areas.


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Malaga is set to overtake the population of Sevilla.

as I said previously, the countryside in Spain exists solely for the exploitation of farmers. If you cannot grow anything, it is declared a national park and given substantial protection.
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Old Nov 1st 2023, 9:07 pm
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Greater Barcelona will have water restrictions about a month from now... to which my question is, why not now?

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Can kicking down the road?
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Old Nov 2nd 2023, 9:28 am
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Two days after the previous announcement about the extension of water cuts in my area, now the supply is going off another half hour earlier, at 10 pm instead of 10.30! These cuts haven't impacted us so far because we live in an apartment and there is a tank downstairs from which water is pumped up (works well until there is a power cut and then we have no water at all!) and being retired we very rarely have a need to use water during the night or early in the morning, but it must be getting very difficult for those who get back from work late, start work early in the mornings or have to get children ready for school as the water is now off until 8.30 am.

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Old Nov 2nd 2023, 11:51 am
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Some respite

https://spanishnewstoday.com/heavy-r...2275350-a.html
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Can't see where that is referring to but certainly there has been ZERO rain in Valencia Comunidad for months - keeps being forecast but never arrives
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Old Nov 3rd 2023, 9:28 am
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Another day, another announcement! Now they are saying that the water is going to be turned off from 9pm.

Los cortes de agua en Vélez-Málaga se adelantan a las 9 de la noche - AxarquiaPlus
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I bet someone is doing a roaring trade in installing bidon’s so there is water 24 hours. When we have water outages ( due to old infrastructure) the repairs are never prompt on the assumption everyone has a bidon! We don’t but have bottled water in store for those occasions. Part of life here.
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Originally Posted by Lynn R
Two days after the previous announcement about the extension of water cuts in my area, now the supply is going off another half hour earlier, at 10 pm instead of 10.30! These cuts haven't impacted us so far because we live in an apartment and there is a tank downstairs from which water is pumped up (works well until there is a power cut and then we have no water at all!) and being retired we very rarely have a need to use water during the night or early in the morning, but it must be getting very difficult for those who get back from work late, start work early in the mornings or have to get children ready for school as the water is now off until 8.30 am.

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I'm glad your apartment block has a deposito, you would be really stuck without it.

Our place in Spain is near to you (slightly inland east of Malaga) and the Vinuela reservoir is very low as you mentioned. We don't have town water and are still just about managing with well water but will need a 10,000 litre lorry load of water fairly soon.

As Moses said, more and more people are moving to the Malaga province year on year and it's noticeably busier - year round tourism has really taken off too. This may sound mad but what is needed is a massive water pipeline that pumps water into the Vinuela reservoir from somewhere in the north.

Pipelines are possible for oil and gas so why not water?

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I'm glad your apartment block has a deposito, you would be really stuck without it.

Our place in Spain is near to you (slightly inland east of Malaga) and the Vinuela reservoir is very low as you mentioned. We don't have town water and are still just about managing with well water but will need a 10,000 litre lorry load of water fairly soon.

As Moses said, more and more people are moving to the Malaga province year on year and it's noticeably busier - year round tourism has really taken off too. This may sound mad but what is needed is a massive water pipeline that pumps water into the Vinuela reservoir from somewhere in the north.

Pipelines are possible for oil and gas so why not water?
Now that the water supply is apparently going to be shut off from 9 pm, I think the deposito may well not be enough as many residents (all Spanish apart from us) wouldn't even have started cooking their evening meal, then washing the dishes, getting children ready for bed etc. by that time so it could more than likely all get used up.

Pipelines from other regions might be politically difficult to achieve (would other regions want "their" water going to Andalucia?) apart from being expensive and taking a long time to construct. I could see them being vulnerable to unscrupulous farmers who would want to tap into the supply without paying for it, and ensure supplies for their crops without considering domestic consumers.
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After spending millions of EU money on the huge dam on the road from the coast to Granada (the Rules Dam), they have, only 20 years later, thought about actually connecting it up to the Costa Tropical irrigation system. Two pipes, 17km long costing €62m will start construction in January.

So, pipelines are possible, but the south will be a desert before it gets connected the the wetter areas.
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