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Is Spain really as bad as they say

Old May 11th 2012, 6:56 am
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Originally Posted by MrMckenna
The problem with us Brits is most of us are to bone idol and ignorant to learn new languages.
I would think that's especially true of Benidorm.
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Old May 11th 2012, 7:03 am
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Yes I agree.
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Originally Posted by MrMckenna
I agree with anonimouse... Nowhere is a nice place in life really unless you are financially stable. Most people who do not have money just accept existence and just moan and groan about everything, everybody and everywhere else. Where as people with financial stability just sit back and mind there own business and live comfortably. You get out of life what you put in all this talk about recession and no money no where is aload of BS if you ask me because there is plenty of money out there and for anybody who makes the move to Spain or anywhere else if they put the work in have a positive attitude and do NOT treat it like a holiday can't go wrong if u ask me. The problem with us Brits is most of us are to bone idol and ignorant to learn new languages and try new things.
Learning a new language is not that easy, and even getting your own language right can be difficult at times..........

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It's interesting that a lot of enterprises seem to be investing (or thinking of doing so) in Spain currently. I'm not just talking about the Casino or Ferrari projects (which are not certain until pen is put to paper). I'm talking about Apple, Primark, Ikea, LinkedIn, Richard Branson and Amazon all of whom are investing in Spain. In the start-up scene, equally a lot of investment is currently flowing into Spain
http://startupspain.com/last-month-in-spain-april/
We are still a small startup market in more than one sense, but it is a exponentially growing market in many others and “where there’s growth, there’s opportunity”.
As you will see in the summary below, many famous and infamous successful international investors are starting to see these trends and seize the obvious opportunity to become more actively involved in Europe’s southwestern peninsula, including Silicon Valley’s Jeff Clavier (Softtech VC founder and Techstars Mentor), German startup clone masters The Samwer Brothers and UK’s Venturepreneur, LastMinute and PROfounders Capital co-founder: Brent Hoberman.
So why are so many international businesses seeking to expand in Spain or acquire businesses? Could it just be that they realise there is a strong future in a country with talented and hard-working people? For those who don't believe the last statement, can you answer this? How, at the depth of the hardest recession in 60 years, and supposedly made uncompetitive by the Euro, did Spain manage to increase its exports by 11% in 2011?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...investors.html
Spain’s booming exports and productivity gains amount to a stealth devaluation that is bolstering the nation’s chances of paying down debt even as it’s gone unrewarded by investors.
The country’s exports rose 11 percent last year, more than in France and the same pace as Germany, as labor costs fell and the current account gap narrowed.
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Originally Posted by JLFS
Learning a new language is not that easy, and even getting your own language right can be difficult at times..........
"Bone idol" es válido.

bone idle adjetivo (BrE colloq) haragán, flojo (fam)

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Old May 11th 2012, 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by agoreira
"Bone idol" es válido.

bone idle adjetivo (BrE colloq) haragán, flojo (fam)
I know "bone idle" is OK, but I did not know that bone idol was.
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Spain is a great place, if you dont have to earn a living at the moment.
The people that are returning to UK are young people that need to work for an income.
The weathers great, people tolerate incomers graciously,
Great food fresh veg and fruit abundance of sea food yummy yummy.
It can be a very healthy way of life, walking cycling swimming more time spent outdoors,extremely social. meets for morning coffee and afternoon tapas.
Although I dont smoke myself they tell me tabacco is cheap and I do enjoy the occasional tipple which is also much cheaper than the UK
The rates and community fees very reasonable

If you have an income Yes its a great place to live.
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I've been living in Spain for the past 30 years, I went back to the UK in 2007 just at the start of the financial crisis but came back after 1 year, (I prefer to be poor in the sun than in the rain...lol..)

No seriously though, I don't think I could live anywhere else.

The crisis is still on a downwards trend here and will be for a long time yet, however if you don't have to rely on the public health or education systems (they are the worst hit and are due another huge cut back in September - believe me I know, I teach English and have two secondary school age children)
then it is definitely the place to be, the country has everything from beach to ski, rustic to cosmopolitan, simple style to haute couture and complete isolation to mad busy.

I would recommend you take some Spanish lessons, so you can say hello to people, that way you'll get integrated much quicker, if people see you have made an effort to adapt to their way of life they will be only too pleased to help.

You'll love it.

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Originally Posted by Perthbum
I have always fancied a home in Greece or Spain when I retired but all you get on the news here is ex pats struggling to live and all trying to get back to the UK, for people living there is it as bad as they say, like to hear from people actually living there.
Of course you will hear about the folks who are unhappy in Spain and desperate to get home that is what the news and programmes are all about.

The thousands who are happy are getting on with their lives quietly, not featuring in tv progs about the nightmares in Spain......nobody wants to see non-news.

The norm is not reported ever......like crashing planes, I have never seen any reports that state that no planes have crashed today, only when one does crash does it become newsworthy......so take all the "disillusioned Brits" for what it is.
Not the only group of expats, some are still living happily in Spain.
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Much depends on personal circumstances!

If you need to find work it's a VERY long que you would be joining, and there is not much hope of a job unless you speak Spanish to a reasonable level.
If on the other hand you are retiring here with a decent private as well as state pension it's possible to live a very good life and one where the recession hardly touches you....that is always providing you don't want to live it up as if you are on holiday every day of the week!

Personally we have nothing to complain about and life is good....the cost of living is less here and we can afford to eat out much more than we ever would have been able to do in the UK.
I have found the health service here to be far better than my experiences in the UK, with the recent new changes I know I'll have to contribute towards my medication, but it won't cost a fortune for that either!

The weather is great, seeing blue sky most of the year makes a real difference to your well being, it encourages a much more outdoor and social lifestyle that must add years to your life.

So is Spain as bad as they say.....for us personally no, but...and it's a big one!
For many who thought they would be living their dream here it's turned into a nightmare of gigantic proportions!
My advice would be that it's no longer wise for newcomers to burn their bridges, it's more prudent to retain a bolt hole in the UK just in case things go belly up, and in making the move here to have at the very least enough money to last a couple of years without working!
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Originally Posted by JLFS
I know "bone idle" is OK, but I did not know that bone idol was.
No, sorry, you're right, I never even looked at "idol", I thought you were referring to "bone", thinking it should be "born". ¡La vejez no viene sola!
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Originally Posted by MrMckenna
The problem with us Brits is most of us are to bone idol and ignorant to learn new languages and try new things.
Unless you have to work, you don't need to learn Spanish, nice if you do, want to, but its not a pre-requisite of a happy life; money coming in is needed a lot more to make your life happy. Ignorance? lol, not really if you live in a brit community as many thousands do there is just no motivation to learn a new language.

Lots of brits go to Spain, money in the bank, nice house/apartment, nice brit community, are happy with brit food etc... does that make them a bad person for not wanting to integrate? Naa, does it heck; remember they are still putting money into the economy.

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Unless you have to work, you don't need to learn Spanish, nice if you do, want to, but its not a pre-requisite of a happy life; money coming in is needed a lot more to make your life happy. Ignorance? lol, not really if you live in a brit community as many thousands do there is just no motivation to learn a new language.

Lots of brits go to Spain, money in the bank, nice house/apartment, nice brit community, are happy with brit food etc... does that make them a bad person for not wanting to integrate? Naa, does it heck; remember they are still putting money into the economy.
Doesn't it piss you off when foreigners come to your country and don't speak a word of English!? I think it's pure ignorance to settle in a country and not make an effort to learn the language. But i guess if you are planning on returning to the UK and only staying here a short time then it's not necessary.
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Naa, does it heck; remember they are still putting money into the economy.
I never knew that was the definition of a good person
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Doesn't it piss you off when foreigners come to your country and don't speak a word of English!? I think it's pure ignorance to settle in a country and not make an effort to learn the language. But i guess if you are planning on returning to the UK and only staying here a short time then it's not necessary.
The answer to you question is yes and no...........

I dont mind people coming to Spain without a word of Spanish and who have no serious ambition to learn if they are happy to live here and spend their last years enjoying the sun, spending their pensions, living a happy life, hurting no one, what is wrong with that.

After all a lot of places in Spain have been especially built with those folks in mind, why not just enjoy the weather and facilities on offer without the stress of learning the subjunctive.

On the other hand, there are plenty with school age children, who expect them to end up educated without any parental input, expecting their kids to pick up the language when their parents dont mix, or exposes themselves to Spanish at all.



Then they blame the Spanish system for failing to equip their kids for a life in the Spanish speaking adult world, when in most cases it is the parents fault.

These are the people who should be made to learn Spanish,if only for their kids sake.

It is nice when people learn the language of the country they choose to live in, but I will never find myself getting pissed off by seeing a load of Brit pensioners enjoying themselves at bingo, karaoke, strolling along the prom,etc.

Life is all about making the most of it while you can, and if tending to the garden is more important than learning Spanish to independent people with an income that they are spending in Spainm who are not looking for anymore than they already have, who am I to disagree with their chioces.

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