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Old Jun 10th 2012, 8:03 pm
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Originally Posted by agoreira
Much the same reports as I must have read, Spain was always going to get a bailout, the sooner it accepted it, the better for all concerned, it would calm the markets. But most expats are paranoid where the UK press is concerned. Not sure why they bother reading it, stick to the Spanish press, you'll get the true picture there. Spain refused to use the word "crisis" for a long time after everyone else was suffering one, same as they denied a rescate was ever going to be necessary. I'd like to think this amount would be sufficient, but I have a nagging feeling they'll need a lot, lot more.
How long do you expect the markets to be calmed? I'm afraid 72 hours before the next country is focused on.
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Old Jun 10th 2012, 8:06 pm
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Originally Posted by chrisjolly
But you can be certain they are still enjoying good salaries and all the normal perks of their jobs.
Some of the pay offs the bosses of the cajas have received, some eye watering amounts there. They're probably in the Bahamas now.
http://www.abc.es/20120611/economia/...206071752.html
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Default Re: Spain accepts the ransom of its banks

Originally Posted by Beaverstate
How long do you expect the markets to be calmed? I'm afraid 72 hours before the next country is focused on.
Not long I suspect, until Greece hits the headlines once more, or Cyprus takes center stage. However, putting off a rescue was never going to solve anything, it's a step in the right direction, but I'm under no illusions that's fixed the problem. At least the Footsie has gone from just under 5300 recently to 5520 so far today, that's clawed back some of my losses.
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Old Jun 10th 2012, 8:23 pm
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Cyprus and Greece almost don't matter, to a degree neither does Portugal but Spain is Europe's 4th largest economy, it simply can't be allowed to fail.
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Too big to fail!!! Wasn't that the blackmail that the banks used to get themselves out of trouble? I hope now that Spain has been given this money - which of course falls on the ordinary man and woman of Spain as the Government has guaranteed it - they will no longer receive any more money from the EU (predicted to be about 5bn this year) and become a net contributor to the budget. Always a lot easier to manage if you are taking more out than you put in!
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Default Re: Spain accepts the ransom of its banks

Originally Posted by rugbymatt
Cyprus and Greece almost don't matter, to a degree neither does Portugal but Spain is Europe's 4th largest economy, it simply can't be allowed to fail.
Greece has had €320 billion, that's hardly chicken feed! Although I don't believe them, they tell us a third of that will suffice for Spain, if that were true, that would be cheap.
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Old Jun 10th 2012, 9:27 pm
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You can see why SPain didn't have to sign up for more austerity measures then, thought you could buy the whole of Greece for 320 billion!
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Default Re: Spain accepts the ransom of its banks

Originally Posted by agoreira
Greece has had €320 billion, that's hardly chicken feed! Although I don't believe them, they tell us a third of that will suffice for Spain, if that were true, that would be cheap.
Is there enough for Italy and possibly France. Don't mean to sound doom and gloom but.... Is a soft landing a realistic possibility? Or just a wish.
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Default Re: Spain accepts the ransom of its banks

Originally Posted by agoreira
Much the same reports as I must have read, Spain was always going to get a bailout, the sooner it accepted it, the better for all concerned, it would calm the markets. But most expats are paranoid where the UK press is concerned. Not sure why they bother reading it, stick to the Spanish press, you'll get the true picture there. Spain refused to use the word "crisis" for a long time after everyone else was suffering one, same as they denied a rescate was ever going to be necessary. I'd like to think this amount would be sufficient, but I have a nagging feeling they'll need a lot, lot more.
I don't know why the UK media gets a hammering re. spanish bailout. All the worlds media is saying the same. Now another bit of sticking plaster, same ole, markets up until it sinks in the eurozone is still in the shit then it's bail out talk again. To get a truer picture in the spanish press you have to read carefully. Last weeks downgrade was at the bottom of the page for a day They are the experts at burying bad news!

Read this Forbes article "Don't be Fooled"

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Originally Posted by jackytoo
I don't know why the UK media gets a hammering re. spanish bailout. All the worlds media is saying the same. Now another bit of sticking plaster, same ole, markets up until it sinks in the eurozone is still in the shit then it's bail out talk again. To get a truer picture in the spanish press you have to read carefully. Last weeks downgrade was at the bottom of the page for a day They are the experts at burying bad news!
Read this Forbes article "Don't be Fooled"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnsha...ont-be-fooled/
all used to be employed by Bliar and his shysters, only ever putting out good news, get someone else to repeat it the following week, make it look really upbeat. Send Gordon out for a takeaway so he can't muck it up, he might let slip the truth.
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Originally Posted by Beaverstate
How long do you expect the markets to be calmed? I'm afraid 72 hours before the next country is focused on.
Heat is still on Spain, Spanish bonds have now risen to 6.2%
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
Heat is still on Spain, Spanish bonds have now risen to 6.2%
then stop asking for so much
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
The debts are different, Spain itself owes very little.
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A very successful bailout?

The markets are down
The Euro is down
More Spanish banks downgraded

Yes a very successful bailout.
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Default Re: Spain accepts the ransom of its banks

Originally Posted by Fredbargate
A very successful bailout?

The markets are down
The Euro is down
More Spanish banks downgraded

Yes a very successful bailout.
No surprises there then same old same old. Mind you Fred guess which index is up? DAX
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